UPDATE [item2=Faun Fruit] It was finally approved on my 8th submission. Thanks for the help everyone!

So I have a CW item I have now submitted 7 times and I am really frustrated with the denials I am receiving. The most recent denial even listed additional problems that were never pointed out in the other denials (shading on the fruit and hoofs.) They are easy to fix but it seems that the main issue I just can not figure out. The issue being the anatomy of the arm, which I thought I had finally fixed, but apparently not. Click the spoiler for the whole denial.

So here is the overlay image for this denial:

And here is my new fixed overlay image that I will be submitting for the 8th time:

I think I have the hand fixed but I wanted to get some feedback on it. I also tried shading the fruit and the hoofs more as well. The issue with the anatomy of the arm though I am clueless how to fix. I don't understand the obsession with there being more of an underlying structure considering so many items on Subeta don't have much underlying structure themselves. I mean look at the HA base. If I give it more structure, I feel it would look too realistic compared to the rest of him. So if you can offer any advice, feedback, and/or assistance I would REALLY appreciate it. For the whole list of denials for all 7 times submitted, click my signature link to go to my shop and click on the Faun Fruit spoiler.

- I had a similar board for this CW of mine and you had helped me out, wondered if you could take a look at this and give me your feedback? Would really appreciate it.

Hello again! I'm sorry they are giving you such trouble with this guy...sheeesh, I think he is adorable but I guess they are dogged about some things they perceive as issues, even if those issues seem trivial or even contrary to their own item standards to the rest of us, but they are staff and have the final say so we have to work with it. I honestly have no idea what they are talking about in regards to the hand, other than a vague guess that the real issue is that they don't like the chubby appearance his fingers and arm have, and are trying to make you change the style of your drawing without saying as much. The suggestion made about his hand looking like a plushie hand -- I think that's the problem. I'm guessing they think he's too cartoony, too like a "plushie."

Unfortunately I can't see any difference between version 7 and version 8 other than the shading on the hooves. I think you're going to have to completely redraw his hands and arms before you're going to get this approved. :( Here's my suggestion for his new look: [IMG]http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/berryberrytart/Custom%20Wearables/faunfruithelp.jpg[/IMG]

I'm sure you must be at your wit's end and I hate to suggest a re-draw on such a large part of the image...but I really don't know what else to suggest at this point. :(

Although I am not an artist by any means, I think they are saying the arm looks like a plushie because of how puffy (Only word I can think of as of now) it is. Kind of like what Tartelette showed, the arm is meant to be pudgy, but it doesn't look like their is a bone under the fat, leading to "lacking undying structure". So while it is so friggin cute and I would LOVE to see it as a CW, the arm doesn't look like it has a bone under it. I also agree with Tartelette's drawing in maybe defining the elbow a little more, to further enhance the underlying structure. Sorry off this is confusing, but I am no artist and am trying to help :)

- Thanks for replying, I really do appreciate it. I can see how that looks better (even if to me it looks too skinny for him.) The issue I have is I don't want to completely change the style of his arms, I will have to find a happy medium between your suggestion and the original fat arms. They never mentioned anything about the arm behind the fruit, but I like how you can see it in your suggestion. I guess I will have to completely redraw the arms then. Sad thing is I have already completely redrawn the arm and hand once, a couple reworkings ago. Thanks so much!

- Thanks for you input, I appreciate that very much. :)

I know, it must be super frustrating. :( Good luck finding an option that you can both agree on! Try defining the upper arm and the elbow a bit more, and maybe thinning the fingers a bit so that the hand isn't so chubby/paw-like. Perhaps that will satisfy them!

- Thanks so much for the advice. I will try that.

Here's what I came up with: I'm really not liking it very much now, but I don't know what else to do and I am getting tired of working on it.

It's definitely an improvement anatomy wise, the problem could be you're having a bit of a hard time envisioning how the arm sits over his belly. Which would make the arm stick out at the elbow and become foreshortened to a degree, causing it to look a bit flat and like there's no underlying depth without this (which might be what the Subeta team where meaning with the 'underlying structure comment').

I know you didn't ask for crits. on any other areas, and apologies if you don't want any, but I altered the face, horns and hair a tiny bit. To show how you might consider the shape of a theoretical skull under the face/how things overlap, as well as demonstrating where you might want to pay close attention to the whole 'top left light source' thing and how that throws shadows on certain sections. It doesn't appear the denial mentions anything much more than the arm but it'd be a really pity if that got picked at, like the fruit/hoof shading did.

A few really minor changes can make the world of difference (I'm always picking at my own stuff until I force myself to leave it), it's a cute drawing with a a lot of character and you seem to have a decent grasp of the importance of foreshortening based on the leg, it's just practise and drawing from/looking at references that allow you to work things out more easily as time goes on. Sorting the foreshortening on a huge moustache is doing my head in at the moment, so it's not just you.

Almost there! The only crit I can give is that the elbow is not lined up well with the crease in the arm/inner elbow. Just scooch the point of the elbow over to the point I've indicated in green below, and I think you'll be golden! Try not to get discouraged! I know it really sucks that they're making you re-imagine your art, but think about how awesome it will be when it gets accepted and put on site. :)

[IMG]http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/berryberrytart/Custom%20Wearables/ff.png[/IMG]

- I appreciate your input. I like what you did with the horns, I was always thinking of doing that but I was never told to so I just didn't bother. I'm not really sure what you did to his face, it looks a bit scary to me and not at all how I want him to look. Also your arm is way too realistic and muscular looking, which is the opposite of how I want him to look as well. He's a chubby little guy and I want him to look chubby. But I really do appreciate your help, thank you.

- Thanks again! You are giving me a lot of helpful tips.

I got some feedback from the people who are going to be buying this CW and they didn't really like the changes much, so I changed him once again. I tried to keep his arm from looking too long, which I felt the redraw up above was doing. I was also told that he was too dark looking, so I lightened up the shading some. And I think the issue of his elbow and crease in the inner elbow is fixed on this one as well.

I like what you've done with his arm..I think you've found a good happy medium. ^_^ He looks like he has a bit more structure while retaining that chubby look. I do hope he goes through this time!

Your newest edit is a definate improvement again, nice and chubby but the arm looks like it could have a skeleton now. In terms of the edits I made, there wasn't any real effort to match styles (that and quick scribble shading), more of an example of where to think of muscles etc. being, using shading to make the point more evident. The face I just moved the cheek/mouth a smidge, to be more where a cheekbone might be, though the actual look is obviously personal preference.

Hopefully the submission process won't be too harsh on you this time, good luck with your latest entry.

- Thank you so much! I have been trying my ass off to get this CW approved. I hope I can get him approved before I run out of tries.

- Oh okay, sorry if I seemed mean... I've been stressed at work and then with getting this CW approved. I just don't want to change my little guy so much so that I don't even want to ever wear him. Lol. Thank you so much!

UPDATE [item2=Faun Fruit] It was finally approved on my 8th submission. Thanks for the help everyone!