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Dec 30, 2013 12 years ago
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I have already filed a ticket. This may be in the wrong forum, in which case I'm sorry; mods please move it to the correct forum. I am posting this because I want the OPINIONS of the general public. I.e. Do you think that game guides should be allowed?

Here is the ticket I submitted:

Are guides allowed? Hi, not too long ago I got a few requests for help with one of the Subeta games, Mystic Spindles. So I figured, hey I'm an expert at this game, why not help them? After a while I decided instead of trying to explain this game to a million people, that I'd make a guide. Then, I was informed that this is technically not allowed, since the rules state:

Do not request or offer help/answers for Subeta games or puzzles, including but not necessarily limited to Trivia, Item Identifier, Item Scramble, and Bones.

I thought that this rule was only meant to prevent people from blatantly asking for answers, where essentially people are playing the game for the other person by giving them the answers which allowed them to win. With that said, the guides that I was offering would provide them strategy, not a specific answer to the game in question. So my question is, are guides allowed? I've noticed a severe lack of them anywhere on the internet, on-site or otherwise, and didn't figure it was because it was against the rules.

More specifically, the games for which I am trying to make guides are Blackout and Mystic Spindles. Since hearing that this was against the rules, I have taken down my guides so as to not break any rules. Thank you in advance for looking up on this.



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Dec 30, 2013 12 years ago
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I don't have a problem with game guides (since I can be pretty dumb sometimes :P). There are several game guides here, like for Leviathan Harpooning and Saheric Slide, so I don't think it should be a problem as long the guide provides helpful tips/advice without blatantly giving away the answer or cheats.

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Dec 30, 2013 12 years ago
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I haven't seen any guides for any other games, especially not on-site. But with that said, it's so easy to create a guide another site, and become anonymous or have a different alias. Whether or not it's allowed. And if people are stuck in a game, they're going to search for a guide. It's not cheating; they just want some tips or tricks to help them out with the game. The rule that I quoted was under the header "No Cheating". I wouldn't call this cheating. But, that's just my opinion/interpretation of the rule.



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These are the guides I mentioned: Leviathan Harpooning
Saheric Slide (4x4)

I think the "No cheating" rule would mostly apply to games that have a quick answer (maybe wrong phrasing). What I mean is, considering games like Leviathan Harpooning and Saheric Slide, even with the guides and tips, the person still has to work in order to actually win the game. I could, for instance, provide all my own tips for solving subeku puzzles, but it still depends on the person to successfully use the given advice--how he/she combines the cancel-out method or box strategy or crosshatching (what I call my subeku strategies) to solve the puzzle. Whereas games like Item Scramble and Bones, once the person has the "tip", all they need to do is follow the tip to the word and they win without any effort. I would say that's the major difference between an actual guide and a cheat sheet--if effort could be applied to gain success.

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Dec 30, 2013 12 years ago
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the Subeta Wikia would be a good place to have a guide hosted. I'll bet in the Games forum there's already a number of threads all suggesting tips and tricks, they're just not consolidated.

Dec 30, 2013 12 years ago
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: I know exactly what you're talking about and I share the same opinion. It would be the difference between helping someone with Subeku by telling them the tricks and strategies on how to figure out what numbers go in what spots, versus flat out telling them the answer. Nevertheless, the rules are vague. They use the word "help", which could mean a number of things.

: I don't particularly like the Subeta Wikia. Their database is limited. Even SubetaLodge has more information than Wikia. Regardless, if I were allowed to make my guides, they would be videos, so I could probably just put them directly onto my profile. I'm just waiting on a response to my ticket before I do.



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Dec 30, 2013 12 years ago
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Game guides are perfectly fine. Check out the Games forum and this [topic not found] :)

Dec 30, 2013 12 years ago
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I think it depends entirely on the game whether or not a game guide is "cheating." Any game, where you follow the "guide" and win every single time would, in my mind, be cheating. Bones is the prefect example - once you know the trick, logic, math, reasoning behind this game, unless you make a mistake, you will win every time. Blackout is the same - once you figure it out, you win every time without fail. By that token I think its important for people to figure it out for themselves in order to get the benefit from it.

Something like Califs Tomb, on the other hand, would be perfectly fine to have a guide, because even with a guide you don't win every time. Nor does a guide make it much easier or simpler.

Finally, something like mystic spindles is a little of both and I'm not sure exactly how I would classify it. Even when you understand the logic of it, there is still a challenge to the game, so in that sense a guide would be okay. But, even though its still a fair bit of work, once you understand the logic, its nearly impossible not to win. To be on the safe side I would be very careful about doing a guide to this game. I might explain the mechanics, but not go into detail on the logic.

- on another note this topic should be either in feedback or the games forum.

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