CW prices return to normal, Pawn Shop stays stingy?
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I have noticed a slow increase back to pre-CW slot price update pricing. I purchased a wig at 650CSC this morning for instance.. Yet if you stop into the Pawn Shop, this brand new, high value wig will only receive an offer of 175CSC as is the case with anything you bring to the pawn shop now. It doesn’t make sense to me to keep Pawn Shop offers so low if CW can just go back to selling items as expensively as they want? My vote is to either enforce the lowered slot price tiers or return Pawn Shop to normal, because the PS is offering half of what it used to.
I had such a difficult time understanding what it is you wanted that I don't believe this is a helpful suggestion or even useful feedback.
Items in CW shops have prices determined by the releaser + there is a base cost that goes to the site. The pawn shop offers you csc based off of the base price of the item, it's something like 40%? idk the number but it's pretty low.
No they should NOT enforce lower shop prices because that would take away from the releasers that already are barely breaking even OR the site that already struggles for funding would take the hit.
No they should not change how pawnshop pricing is structured because that would make buying from it more expensive too.
This entire thread. Just fuck no.
What do you mean by “enforce lowered slot price tiers” exactly?
You do realize that prices are set by people who pay real money to get their item commissioned and then on site right? And we already rarely make profit right?
Wow the entitlement of this comment. If you aren’t comfortable paying 650 CSC for a wig? Don’t. We have the right to price things how we want when we commission them/submit them.
I can’t see anyway how forcing releasers to conform to certain pricing guidelines is gonna do ANY good for the site. Cw releasers are already dwindling enough as it is.
CW Pawn Shop prices have always been based on the base price for an item, and users have always been able to charge whatever they want for a CW (back on the old system, I've personally seen someone charge or attempt to charge 1k for a slot, and I've heard of certain items slotting for more). I don't really know that that's something staff need to "fix" since the pawn shop isn't exactly meant to be a profitable way to resell CWs, and the "standard" or usual/common prices for items are entirely up to users.
I still see most new items selling at 150-200 CSC above the base price (so 500-550 for hairs) and sometimes less, just for what it's worth. I'm not sure what the previous pawn shop offer prices were, but the very first setup was 300 CSC, which is a little over half the "base" price for an item at the time, but I think the current half-of-the-base-price system is still fair
If there is a teal star on a CW like so: Then the maximum base price for this item is 400 csc for the releaser to submit. (Backgrounds are the only item in the 400 category however. Everything else is between 200 and 350.) HOWEVER. If the releaser is NOT the artist of their item, they are often paying an additional 50% to submit their item in order to pay their artist a copy. (For a background, this means it would cost them 600 csc to submit if they owe an artist a copy.) In order to make money back, they have to price ABOVE that base price to submit.
On top of this, if the releaser is not the artist they will have to pay a commission fee OR a recolor fee, depending on whether it's the original version of the item, or just a new color. The prices on that can range by a LOT, and I would say that in my experience, 90% of people pay this part of the fee in USD. (Meaning they cannot actually recover what they put in, because USD is NOT the same as CSC, in the sense that CSC cannot be converted back to USD.) Commissions usually cost as low as $20 for small items, and as high as $100+ for massive pieces or backgrounds. Recolors usually range between $4 and $15 depending on the artist and the complexity of the recolor. (A recolor that changes line art and shading for example, will be a lot more expensive than one that just changes the color only.)
Releasers are trying to recover some of the cost by up-charging their items in CSC. If they put in say, $50 for a new item + it cost them 600 csc to submit, they'd need to sell 28 copies at a 200 csc up-charge to make back the CSC equivalent of what they put in. That's... A lot of copies, and not many CWs sell that many.
((And for clarity, I am saying this as an ARTIST, who submits their own work 90% of the time. I have also commissioned other artists and needed to pay all these extra fees as well.))
If you'd like to continue to see new CWs / new recolors of CWs you like / etc, you have to make the decision on whether it is worth it or not TO YOU to support their up keep costs.
If seeing a wig at 650 csc is too much for you, that's totally okay. There are TONS of CWs, and you can probably find another CW you like just as much. However, especially when real money is involved, releasers should be 100% in charge of their own prices because they are 1. earning the site money 2. supporting artists and their community.
TLDR; Don't like the price of something then just don't buy it. Releasers are not evil for wanting to break even on their up keep costs. A business is unsustainable if it's always making a loss.
The pawn shop was designed to be a cheaper alternative to cw buying. Subeta makes a big chunk of change from users who buy csc to buy low cost cw's in pawn. It makes 0 sense for selling back an item to the pawn shop to make slot back because essentially the price of the shop will increase. You are pawning items for quick cash, which is how a pawn shop should work.
If something is too expensive for you, don't buy it? It's that simple. Or you could also wait until someone puts it in user shop for cheaper. Me and my partner submit many cw's that we have not seen the day of light in profit but we do upcharge from base just to make ends meet for the next submission round. If a wig is slotting at 650? You likely don't know how much the user paid for commission on it and this could be their quickest method to making a profit on a big project. Cw releasers submit items out of love and out of THEIR POCKET. You paying 650csc doesn't go to their pocket, they only get a fraction of that.
that's literally how pawn shops work. they're designed for quick cash sales, not getting back your investment in an item. if you want to get back what you paid for something the advertising forum is open
I'm just glad to get any amount of CSC from the Pawn Shop. Prior to my getting the subscription, even that could be a help.
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All I can say to you from personal experience is if you want a bit more in CSC for a CW, either sell it in your shop for CSC or sell it in trades. You aren't going to get very much from the pawn shop. They're not supposed to give you that much CSC for selling in the pawn shop anyways.
Like a good neighbor, stay over there!
I can understand what a lot of releasers are saying. It is very expensive to commission an item/submit it and in turn the slot price reflects that expense. When the update to pricing was released staff did away with the batch system as well as lowered the cost associated with getting an item on site. The news post at the time made it seem like the intent was to make CWs as a whole more accessible and to lower slot prices--and it did for a time, but it seems that those slot prices (collectively) are back to where they were before the change to the pricing system.
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Covid put a lot of people out of regular work and commissions were one way for some artists to get by so they raised their prices which we gladly pay for. One because we love their work, and secondly because we want the item on site and we wanna support them 100%.
No one is owed any cw tbh. Making sp is fairly easy on this site, far more so than others. This constant complaining about pricing is getting a bit ridiculous. Don't buy it if you disagree with the pricing.
Hi! Just giving an official note about this: we will not be enforcing any specific prices on what sellers must charge for a CW. The price if CWs has always been based off supply and demand. I wouldn't personally pay 700 CSC for a wig; some people would. I still see the majority of prices being lower than they were pre-December 2020!
The pawn prices are based off the base price for a CW. It always has been. This is meant to be a quick easy way to make a buck. Otherwise the best option for selling CWs is still gonna be boards and trades.
