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Mar 1, 2022 4 years ago
Pamiilaq
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I just received the achievement "Get the Eskimo Kiss," and I'm hurt by this language. I am Inuit from Alaska, and I abhor the use of the E word. It had been used in a derogatory way to dehumanize my people. While some Inuit are fine with this term, a growing number of us recognize the dark history of racism behind the word. I don't know if the Subeta staff are aware of this. If anyone knows who I can talk to about this, please let me know. I do not like the E word, or anything associated with my race, being used in this way. It is incredibly hurtful.

I have posted this in other forum threads, but it was suggested to me that this may be the place to talk about this. I'm open to answering any questions for anyone who is curious to learn more.

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Mar 1, 2022 4 years ago
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I just browsed through Wikipedia (here + here) and understand where you’re coming from. I wasn’t aware it was considered an offensive term.

Subeta intends to be a welcoming place to everyone and staff should be open to changing the name of the achievement to something more appropriate. The kiss itself is a hex that shows up on avatars’ faces so I think “Get the Nose Kiss” or “Get the Face Kiss” might be an appropriate change?

Mar 1, 2022 4 years ago
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Serrated

Could use the correct term Kunik. But Nose Kiss sounds more general without a lot of questions.

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Mar 1, 2022 4 years ago
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I didn't realize this was derogatory, thanks for letting us know. Full support for changing this.

For replacement names, 'get the nose kiss' makes sense to me. There's already one for "Get the Cheek Kiss" and I could see 'face kiss' being a little too ambiguous.

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Mar 1, 2022 4 years ago
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Thank you for looking into this and getting back to me so quickly! I think calling it the "nose kiss" would be the most appropriate and easiest for others to understand.

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Mar 1, 2022 4 years ago
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Pinging you both to bring this to attention. ^_^

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Mar 1, 2022 4 years ago
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Oh wow, I didn't realize it was a derogatory term until I stumbled across this thread and Wiki. That's my bad. Honestly, thank you for making this thread not only for the staff to correct but for a lot of us that weren't aware! I think Nose Kiss would be a good fix too.

Mar 1, 2022 4 years ago
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I posted in the other thread about moving it to this forum, not realising a thread had already been made about it here. I agree that it's outdated and could do with being changed. Would it also have to be changed in the coding for the hex/overlay, or does it not use that word there?

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Mar 1, 2022 4 years ago
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As minimods we don't have any powers outside of the forum.

Does this fall under your realm now since you are working on item name changes?


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Mar 1, 2022 4 years ago
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<3 hugs But to ping staff is to bring staff's attention and you'd know what lines to pull for corrections/attention. ^_^ Thank you.

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Mar 1, 2022 4 years ago
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I had the same thought, glad this is being addressed.

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Mar 1, 2022 4 years ago Official
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(Cross-posting answer from the other thread)

Oh, eeep, our apologies! Thank you for coming forward with this, and thank you for your patience in educating us and helping Subeta be a better place. Would changing it to Nose Kiss work instead?

(It isn't in the names for any items, from what we can tell, but I'll check descriptions tonight to make sure.)

The change may to wait until is available, it's likely on the level of changing something more directly in the code like altering a skin's name, but we do want to fix this ASAP.

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Mar 2, 2022 4 years ago
Pamiilaq
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"Nose kiss" would be an ideal change for the name. I think it would be an appropriate replacement. I am not aware of any other instances of the E word being used across the site, but I would appreciate checking for it. Thank you all so much for understanding!

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Mar 2, 2022 4 years ago Official
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To those thinking of Nose Kiss as an alternative, great minds think alike. ^_~ This has been fixed, thank you again! I'll post/event as such on the other board on the topic as well before locking, so please forgive any double pings.

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