I was looking to find a textbook on ASL / sign language for my pet's treasure chest... but there isn't one.

So, I thought it'd be nice to get a few books on languages we don't have represented yet. :3

Sadly those old textbooks are kind of outdated, do I don't think we will get any more. Subeta has tried to steer away from real world things if they can. But that isn't to say they can't do more textbooks without too much real world mentions!

Subeta was settled by humans from Earth which would explain the language text books. Maybe some communities still speak their Earth languages eg. German in Veta. Having said that, there are 7,139 languages spoken in the real world so maybe we've got enough Earth language text books.

When it comes to sign languages I don't see why we couldn't have some books in Medicontre for them. Maybe one for each of the Earth languages we've got textbooks for plus others for Subetan languages.

I like that idea, I personally would love more lore on languages of Subeta

ASL is visual and kinetic. A book of ASL seems a little weird to me, it's not the natural way to "write" that language so it could only be supplemental. A series of DVDs or a video podcast would be more like it.

Putting it in MediContra also implies that deafness is a medicalized thing instead of an academic study or life/business/government decision to communicate to people in the language that they know and understand best.

I used to have a book that taught ASL, and it showed pictures of the hand formations with arrows that showed which way it should go. So it's not impossible. That being said, I like your idea of an instructional video. A "textbook" does not need to be a book, per se.

I also agree that putting them it in Medicontra would not be the right choice, especially if other textbook languages came out at the same time, which also would not be appropriate for Medicontra so it would be weird to single it out (for the reasons you mentioned).

The roleplay character the pet represents is on track to get her bachelors in ASL, thus why I figured a textbook just like all the other language textbooks out there. :3 A dvd set would be fine, too, just as long as I can visually represent it that's cool with me.

Just for the record, I work in a library and can confirm that not only do books that teach ASL exist, there's a lot of them out there. So asking for one isn't really weird or unusual.

Either book or DVD format is fine with me, though. Or even one of each! :D

Not against the idea of more language test books but I do want to point out that we do have at least one for Braille!

Subeta has items that you can 'read to your pet' and increase your pet's intelligence, that are Books, but not books. Some are DVDs some are book tapes which are something RL people who are blind and have difficulty reading use instead of braille, some are just invitations or greeting cards :)

I do not deny that books on ASL exist. I have read some of them. Compared to going to class and seeing it action, or seeing people communicate in ASL? They suck. If hearing people weren't able to see or move kinetically at all, then books could be seen as ideal. But most of us hearing folk...we can! If video didn't exist, books would be the only way to mass-communicate. But video does exist.

I suggest to and actually go to youtube and look at instructional videos of this language and compare them to the books they have seen/own. There exist lots of books, I do not deny this. But writing down stuff is in English it is not in ASL at all. ASL is literally truly it's own language it is kinetic and you can't write in it. Siglish is a creole and it is what is sometimes used if there is ambiguity that can't be resolved with other signs that is closest to this and it too is kinetic and visual.

Books are writing about ASL in a foreign language system, like writing Japanese in romaji but more awkward. Subeta can be better than the libraries that only have books. Because we're Subeta. I also think that if any library has the budget we will find videotapes/DVDs/online content accessible through library card. Because librarians are smart and believe in their mission. I know my own local city and county libraries do.

So yes, it IS weird for Subeta to make a book for this, and not in a good way weird of the weirdness that is Subeta. It's good that hearing people are trying to understand their fellow citizens, and it is good that libarians and other people of good will for many years tried to represent this knowledge as best they could.

We can do better. If Staff do create and Item that is a book on ASL it should say in its Description that it is supplemental, and we should have DVDs or videos first.

Geez dude, calm down. I don't know why you're acting the way you are, especially when everyone who's posted so far has said they're perfectly okay with a video item? Literally no one has insisted on a book only, just pointing out that they're a thing?

I have watched videos and read books on the subject, and both work just fine for me. If you feel like the subject matter is best represented by a video and prefer to learn that way, then cool, keep on doing it. You can keep doing it that way no matter what items are on Subeta.

If Subeta staff likes the idea and decides to make some more language learning items, be they books, instructional videos, audio CDs, or sets with workbooks and videos, or whatever they decide, I'm all for it and would love to see them. I don't want to argue over format details on the item art when representation is really all the OP was asking for.

I don't want to see this thread get derailed and closed, so I'm stepping away from it and will not reply anymore. Please do not mention me again.

Also, I imagine since deaf people don't have the ability to use their ears, not their eyes, they can read books just fine.

That being said...why not both? There's no reason there couldn't be both, and would get even more items for their TC, which was one of the primary reasons for this thread.

It doesn't matter which shop the sign language books go in. I only suggested Medicontre because it stocks a Brail E-Book.

Subeta must have a common language which everyone speaks either as their first or second language. I don't know what it could be called other than Subeta Common Language.