Alright, so many people sent me Lumi gifts when I didn't leave anything for them, and I wanted to gift them in return. But I got to one person who doesn't accept from non-friends, when I'd already bought the items for them, so unless they say it's alright for me to add them so I can send them, I'll have wasted SP. So I wanted to know if there could be a way to indicate if certain users have their gift settings so that they only accept gifts from friends or not at all, to save having to attempt to send things in the future to find out? I don't know if this has been suggested already or not.

Buy a small item first, like a 20 point token and try sending it.

I don't know if the suggestion has been made or not before, but I would certainly have turned the non-friends option back on if I'd been asked. Don't need to make a friend request for that. :)

I have it turned off right now, as I was getting pestered by a Drills quest anon. Was planning on turning it back on sometime over the next few days.

Sorry about that, it's just that there's lots of other people I still need to send gifts to who might also have different settings with no way of me knowing until it's too late.

I support this. While I didn’t run into the same issue I most certainly would have. It doesn’t cross my mind that some people do this until I’m about to send the gift, which is nobody’s fault but my own, but since we receive the message right after we try to send the gift I don’t think it would be out of the realm of possibilities for this warning to be given to us when we click the “give/send gift” option. Especially since I’m pretty sure that if we try to gift a tree that we can’t, it lets us know immediately.

(Feel free to let me know otherwise, I could’ve sworn that’s how it worked though)

i like this idea! i reckon it would be nice if once you fill in the username field the site maybe checks to see if that person accepts gifts, and if not a warning like 'the selected user only accepts gifts from friends' shows up or whatever

so you don't even have to try and send them something to test it haha

I would be down for like an icon in the user hover. If it has a present you can send one. If it doesn't you can't.

I'm having ambivalence on this one. People who don't want to be sent anything sometimes don't want to be bothered either. Situational don't-give-mes are rare in Subeta IME.

Me, if I'm spontaneously giving a gift, it's like okay it would have been something I gave freely anyways it doesn't hurt to then put it in my shop if it is ungiftable. It is my gift to them to leave them alone.

If it's a gift in return I'm briefly irked by "don't gift me" because in RL you can almost always foist something onto someone who has initiated an exchange of tangible goods. It's much more public and 'how you are seen by others' matters.

But Subeta is not RL and any gifting is private: you cannot look at a tree and see who gave what what box is from whom. The Gift Wrapping center and giving directly to inventory from inventory systems are not even visible by other people. So I get over my tiny irk, and put the thing in my shop. This might be a case of it's the internet a thicker skin is necessary for the gifter.

What is costs me is my shopping time and poring through their wishlist time. I find the shopping is fun, and poring through their public wishlist fulfills my people-watching nosiness naches. This is not a big deal? I guess if it's non-intrusive like what has said it's okay. Any actual message would feels like the site is telling/announcing to the user that you-the-gifter has been found wanting officially how dare you. Getting that icon in there depends on what room there is in the hover box when opens up her dev. But I think most people would want gifts here? So a non-present icon should be there so its presence is noticeable.

I think an icon would be cool, it would prevent wishlist shopping only to find out that they're not accepting gifts.

Is there a way to remove that link entirely if the person has selected not to receive gifts? Like how people who don't want friend requests don't have that icon on their profile?

I support the icon idea it sounds like a great idea to me. I also wouldnt mind if there was a tree one too around lumi but shrugs

I support this! I was just about to make a thread about this exact thing.

The other day I bought like a 5m+ item for someone random I saw, but when I went to send the item it gave me the whole "This user doesn't accept gifts from non-friends" I saw someone mention sending a smaller item first. But I don't want to run the chance of them being spammed with items from everyone, seeing if they have it on or not.. (Then that makes them want to turn it back on, lmfao)

I would suggest something like when you are on their "full wishlist" page, it could show in maybe big red text "Friends only" or something along those lines. To give everyone a warning.

"Magma's Wishlist Friends only!" Might be the easiest way for people to see that or not? Just a thought to add onto others suggestions!

I do like this suggestion and Magma's idea is a easy coding alternative to the idea I would think

I've bought gifts before for people who don't accept gifts. Its frustrating.

Sending a "trial" gift is not a good solution. I don't want to spam them with stuff before sending a real gift, and frankly I just don't have the time, nor would I even think to do it because the vast majority of time my gifts go through just fine.

I love, love, love 's idea of stating right in the wishlist that gifting is friends only.

There are two main circumstances where I'm going to be sending a gift to a non-friend. One is reading of a problem in a forum post and if I already own an item that can mitigate their issue, in which case I don't care if they have gifts turned off because I didn't buy an item specifically for them, I didn't waste my time or sP. The second is if I spotted their birthday icon in the forums, and then I'm going to their wishlist as a first step. This is the case where I'm likely to end up frustrated if they have gifts turned off - but if its right in the wishlist, I can stop before I spend time and resources.

A way to find out in advance whether people accept gifts is a great idea. It would be very frustrating to spend time picking out a gift for someone only to find you can't send it.

I don't accept gifts from non-friends; I've considered putting a note on my profile to explicitly say "Don't try sending me gifts, I don't accept them" but never actually done so because I've never found a way to phrase it that doesn't sound presumptuous at best, if not outright rude. I also wouldn't be entirely thrilled to be contacted by people asking me to make it so they can send me stuff (the "why don't you want to receive free things from generous well-wishers?" conversation is one I have done before and it never goes well). Being able to minimise any likelihood of that happening would be awesome.

I have my doubts whether the wishlist is the best place to put this notification though. First off, what if you run across someone whose wishlist is set to be private? (also me) - no idea what that looks like from outside because I don't recall encountering anyone else who uses that function, so I'm not sure if you still see a wishlist but with no items on it or what...? Either way not every gift that people (try to) send is something chosen by browsing wishlists, so I'd find it helpful to have the information in a more prominent place, such as the user icon hover info.

your wishlish shows up with no categories and nothing in the unsorted/default category.

One thing I've never tested is if the search would show an item in a hidden category.

SPOILER (click to toggle)

Ah, that makes sense, since the Unsorted section is the only one I can't toggle to private or delete (it's not my default section any more so I have no use for it). Confirmation then that the wishlist would be a viable place to put a "no gifts" warning - still not the place I'd find it most useful, but maybe I'm in the minority there.

Search doesn't seem to show items that are on hidden wishlists - I tested it with an item from mine: and it didn't show me myself, and then I turned the privacy off briefly to search again 'cause I had no idea if it should show me myself, and it did. :)

Thanks, nice to have the confirmation! Yeah, it does show your items to yourself because sometimes people need to search to find out what category something is in.