Changing the pet name system was certainly a step in the right direction and I'm pleased that non-unique pet names are a thing now. However, I do have one small suggestion that could be applied to it in regards to the legacy names.

As we know, with legacy names, the only ones that exist are from before the name-changing system had an overhaul, yet there's so many names that have yet to be created that are unable to become legacy names right now with the current system.

Perhaps we could make a small edit to this system and allow new legacy names to be created, as long as they were never used to begin with? To show that the particular pet was the first to use that name since the update, they'd still be setting a unique "legacy" for themselves.

Any others interested in a change like this? Go ahead and discuss it here if needed. I personally think this change could add a nice extra bit of creativity options for the pets here.

I don't know much about programming, so take this with a grain of salt, but I'm not sure how feasible this would be to implement, depending on what you want.

For example, do you want legacy to be on all names that did not exist at the moment the non-unique name system was created? The system would need to look retroactively at names that were created between July 26, 2020 and whenever these new "legacy" names are implemented, as well as apply them from then on.

What about legacy names that no longer exist? How would the system differentiate between legacy names that were deleted and ones that actually did not exist when the non-unique names were implemented? As people continue to delete legacy names at their leisure, how will the system handle "new" legacy names in the future when in reality they aren't legacy names at all?

There are some names that may have once existed but they were changed prior to the implementation of the new system, and at that time a pet may not have existed with that name, but that does not mean that no pet ever existed without that name. Will the system be able to tell the difference? Is it really a new "legacy" name if at one point someone else also had it?

So logistically, I think this would be a pretty messy and tricky thing to implement.

I understand why you would want this feature but I do not think this is a good solution.

(And personally, I would not want something like this to happen. I'm actually of the opinion that legacy names should just go away entirely. But I understand others feel differently, and I can respect that.)

As long as any cleared legacy names that existed before July 27th cannot be reclaimed, I'm kinda OK with this (but not keen). However, I don't know if it's still possible to track what those names are.

Furthermore I got the impression that site doesn't want to make legacy names the center of attention again, and only want them to serve as a transition tool to help users adapt to the non-unique name system. Eventually the goal seems to be almost completely phasing out the unique name system by drawing the least amount of attention to legacy names. I could be completely wrong though.

How would this work if say (using my own pet names for this):

I rename Ah-Dol to never used before Meander but don't clear his legacy name. What happens when another user uses Meander? Would I be considered the first one to use the name or the other user?

Cause if I would be considered the first to use the name even though I wouldn't get it as a legacy name, I can see it being abused to created other names so no one can get the legacy name. Granted one could just create the pet with the name and clear it.

I also feel if a name is not taken and you create the only one in existence that they should get the Legacy title. It would make name hunting fun like it used to be, now I just pound surf. Which also fun but not as fun as coming up with a name not in use.

The Legacy title was a reward for name-hunting for literal weeks, months or years. It's nowhere near as hard to get names now, and it would...make legacy names kinda meaningless if we could just create some more.

Pretty sure that the moment a legacy name is cleared, it's gonna be a chore to track, if it's possible at all.

I just wish we could transfer legacy names between our pets because it was dropped without any warning for people who might have intended to do so in regards to say, ID swapping or something.

As much as I like being able to have unique URLs I don't know how feasible this would be to implement and track retroactively.

this is fair, however I believe releasing news posts in preparation of major changes like this would alleviate a lot of potential users feelings blindsided by similar updates in the future. not everyone is privy to forums and other such discussions. the news post announcing the change to the CW system a couple days before it was implemented was appreciated and would be good form to follow from here on out in similar circumstances, in my opinion. (:

this is fair, however I believe releasing news posts in preparation of major changes like this would alleviate a lot of potential users feelings blindsided by similar updates in the future. not everyone is privy to forums and other such discussions. the news post announcing the change to the CW system a couple days before it was implemented was appreciated and would be good form to follow from here on out in similar circumstances, in my opinion. (:

This, plus just because a feature has been talked about for a length of time doesn't mean that it will be implemented any time soon. I was a part of those discussions, and I was following along even when I wasn't participating, but I still felt blindsided by the change. Personally, I like it and have figured out how to make it benefit me, but I know a lot of other people who would have made one small change or two if they knew what was coming - even if it was just a little inkling.

In addition, in this instance, consider how many people would have spent money scrambling to change names before the update. Since name changes thus far are free, this could have given the site at least a little boost of income.

, and ... You guys worded it better than I ever could, thank you. I like the current system but I wish we had a warning before the change, it really happened so suddenly and caught me off guard.

The thing is that, the change to non-unique names was something that was discussed for years, so I'm not exactly sure how much more warning should have been given to be fair. We already had crumbs of information about this - we went from Keith not being down with the idea in 2018, to some staff members being more willing to accomodate, to the idea of nicknames, to actual non-unique names.

The master thread (which wasn't the first time the idea was brought up) discussing the idea of non-unique pet names happened in November 2018 and the exact wording of legacy names was suggested by Necolasa in March 2019.

Keith mentioned that he was entertaining the idea of integrating Charahub nicknames in 2019 as well, according to a post made by Ryuu in February 2019., and the idea of non-unique names/nicknames was brought up again in January 2020 by both Rah and Bean.

Like...we had plenty of warning that it was coming, because it had been discussed for years. The idea of non-unique names didn't happen overnight.

No matter when and how many warnings would have been given, it's 100% sure that someone wouldn't have had all their pets exactly the way they wanted before the change, either because they skimmed over the news, didn't have the CSC on hand, or were on hiatus, or just didn't know what they wanted to do.

Alright, then sorry for not being an active member of the Forums, . I should have known better.

EDIT : Really sorry, I'm just confused about all that because I thought getting some kind of "heads-up" before a major change was common practice. I'm really considering checking the Forums more often then.

You don't need to post on the forums to garner the information on it - and considering that massive site updates either

1. have their own forum topic to discuss, usually created and managed by staff.
2. stem from a suggestion, or feedback thread made by users, and evolved into a large conversation.

If you don't at least take a peek at the announcements, site feedback and suggestions forum every once in a while, I think you're missing out on half the available information concerning future Subetan developments and in this situation, ignorance isn't bliss!

There are a lot of interesting staff posts done recently; and at least, we don't have to scout four different sites to get all information anymore!

Yeah alright, I however think an announcement beforehand (as for the new CW system) would have been great nonetheless. Too bad we had to rely on the Forums for this one.

I agree that a lot of people knew it was coming, but even those of us who tracked that thread had no clue it was happening when it did.

I can list dozens of things that were "supposed" to happen, guaranteed, in fact, that did not happen, or if they did happen, it took years.

And sure there would always be someone who says "but I didn't know" and if there was a warning post, a week, or even just a day before we can point to and say "well yes, they did tell us".

Take the upcoming change in rarities. I know its happening. I have a bunch of rare items in my vault. I've been debating if I should hoard them because the prices will get prohibitive, or get rid of them because the prices will fall. If I get some notice that its going to happen next week, I'll get off my butt and make a decision. Otherwise I'll procrastinate until, suddenly, without warning it will be here. I hate not knowing when its going to happen.

Just throwing in my two cents that I also like and wouldn't mind seeing what OP is talking about. I created Altasgracias after the change and it's be sweet to stamp that name in place, as it were, since she is/was the only one.

But also, it's not crazy important either. I just like being special and so do my pets.

Since the topic was about a way to create a new legacy I'll add my opinion here and agree with . I want to be unique and have unique pets. The names of my pets were one of the most unique things about them, once upon a time. It was also how people could find them. So I would love if I actually found an name that wasn't in use as a legacy name if my pet could acquire that legacy.

As for reading the forums even the ones started by staff officially to keep up with up coming changes I point to and agree with 's argument that the forums do nothing to tell us when something will happen and shouldn't be relied upon for important site changes. Just because they discuss a change doesn't mean it will happen. And it definitely doesn't give us warning about when specifically it will happen.

Just agreeing with a few others here. Just because subeta talks about releasing a feature doesn't mean we know when to expect it's going to be implemented ( remember that tea house we all voted on years ago?). An official news post of the changes to come for when people log in would have been appreciated. We have been talking about CW changes for months and that got an official news post for upcoming changes. I would imagine a site revolving around pets would have had an official warning of changes to come involving pets.

As for legacy names, "legacy" appears to mean before changes implemented, not original name, so I don't think it makes sense to have new unique names be legacy.