Hold on, don't yell at me yet. Read this and if you feel the need to still yell at me afterwards, we'll go from there.

The Lesbian Pride flags have a bit of a rocky history, including the fact that the one that's most commonly used (the pink/red spectrum one) was created by someone who is almost violently against trans people and PoC and the Labrys one having a form of Nazi symbolism (the black triangle) and is popular with TERFs (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist.)

I think Subeta needs to be aware of this history because a lot of people seem to be getting hung up on the whole "But the Labrys one is hinting at the original Grecian/Amazonian take of being lesbian." You're probably getting that mixed up with Sappho but that's another history lesson I'm not out to teach.

As Subeta has so many LGBTQIA+ users on the site, myself included, it's making me wonder how many people I'm safe with knowing these details on me on here. I'm not out with my family as being nb/trans (same thing, I just use trans because I don't have to explain that one so heavily) and I thought I was minutely safer here.

Source 1. Source 2 (SFW, can't promise if navigated away from.)

I think it's a little misleading to say simply that the labrys flag uses nazi imagery, without also saying that the flag attempts to reclaim that imagery (much like the pink triangle). There's a massive difference between the way nazis used those triangles and the way some people in the LGBTQ community use them today.

That said, I counted the stripes on the pin on Subeta, and it looks like that one was based off the newer, similar flag that uses fewer stripes. The newer pink-salmon-white flag was made by someone who is trans-inclusive, and was made as a response to the use of the lipstick lesbian pride flag being used to (incorrectly) represent all lesbians. It's listed in the first article you linked to with a better explanation.

Either way, the design of the lesbian flag is just under debate right now, so I don't think staff could use just one design without really bothering a lot of people. That might change in the future, however.

I think they're fine, IMO, and certainly they're better than not having lesbian stuff at all (As their flag(s) get excluded very often), and it seems like people tend to be a lot harder on lesbian pride flags than other pride flags for some reason (Though all my experience with this is anecdotal as well as secondhand, as I am not a lesbian, I have just personally seen lesbians I know say that their stuff gets nitpicked A LOT while other LGBTQ+ stuff isn't)

The is the oldest specifically lesbian pride flag item on the site and to my memory it was added before the issues with that iteration of the flag were widely known. The and use the newer "sunset" flag which I believe was created in direct response to the issues with the modified lipstick lesbian flag- and which only dates back to 2018.

The Lesbian Pride Sash dates back to June 28th 2018. The "sunset" flag originated June 3rd, 2018 as a seven-striped version- it wasn't in wide use when the pride sash items were added.

I'm not personally familiar with the use of the labrys flag by TERFs- searching mostly turned up people arguing as to whether or not it's a TERF symbol, saying it isn't, etc, from the last 3-4 years. I don't doubt that it's been used by them, but I think that's unfortunately going to be true of a lot of lesbian symbolism. I think the labrys flag also specifically has some associations with butch lesbians? The labrys flag only dates to 1999, but the labrys as a lesbian symbol dates back to the 70s- it's been in use for a long time. You've mentioned the Nazi symbolism: it's very specifically a reclamation of that symbolism, however, much like the reclamation of the pink triangle by gay men.

There's currently no strong consensus on a single lesbian pride flag, and pride symbols undergo change all the time. I don't think Subeta has included any of these items with malicious or trans-exclusionary intent.

My personal opinion as a lesbian: it's kind of a mess! I currently prefer the five-stripe pink-and-white-and-orange flag, but I'd still wear the pride sash item. I think it's a case where the flag started to gain ground and was then rejected specifically because the creator's views came to light, rather than being rejected for the usage the flag was acquiring.

gonna chime in and mention that i know jewish lesbians that use the labrys flag specifically as a reclamation of nazi symbolism. (i'm honestly a little bit peeved at the language used in the lgbt wiki, as it is 1. very overtly biased and 2. not well sourced)

....but one in the shop is not the old Lipstick Lesbian flag but the trans inclusive one with the orange and white? 😕

I'm learning a lot here. I'm so ignorant I didn't even know there was a seperate Lesbian flag whatsoever, but am all for it as that sort of symbol does a lot of good. As to what one is used, I'm not sure as I am blind and have seen neither, thougthe pink triangle I know was something many have tried to reclaim.

Though from my outside stance as a straight guy, I'd say Subeta is the most LGBTQA+ area I've ever seen on the internet, and I remember when the pride sashes came out in 2018.

Bookrage needs more than books this Survival

The labrys has been used by radical feminist lesbians since the 1970s, but I feel like now might be a good time to remind everyone that not all radical feminists are TERFs.

I may have not known of the flag, but I do know of the different varieties of feminism. I'm actually a liberal feminist and a member of Nomas

well anyway, I'm glad the site has such representations, even if they may or may not be slightly flawed to some it is certainly better than a lot of places.

well, bookrage can't make it through Survival with just his books.

also, I can bite for Blistered hearts only right now since I'm new to this.

Yet what other subsection of LGBT has had theirs undergo so many changes as lesbians, and which have previous versions that are now considered Bad and Hateful to use?

To save you the time and research: refer to Jacket's post.