Please Note. The topic I've linked to is a question in the Help forum. I made this topic in the Suggestion forum relating to my question because Bug asked me to.

Quotes copied and pasted from ">Item ID Question

So, what do people think?

I'd be fine with just having it as "Sort by item ID". afaik none of the other places where you can sort by item ID have it clarified in this way so it is kinda confusing.

If I'm sorting something (like the item directory, my wishlist, shop, gallery, inventory, etc.) by item ID, my main intent is to see which items are older/newer. The item's release date itself plays no role whatsoever in my search, so I don't really see why having the date of the item's release on the item directory page is important.

As for item directory suggestions, I might have a post from a site feedback topic with some unrelated, but potentially useful things.

I think the wording is fine as is. It doesn't say anything about sorting by date, so I don't personally find it confusing/misleading. I could see maybe changing it to Sort by - chronological (Item ID) instead if that's clearer? But it reads pretty much exactly the same to me

The search box says "Time added to site (Item ID)" This suggests that the search result for an item includes a timestamp when it doesn't.

The search box could be changed to "Sort by item ID" but here's another quote from the original topic -

@ Ciannwn I still stand by what I've said regarding the item ID text in the directory.

Other areas of the site that are much more frequently used (inventory, wishlist and shops/galleries) don't have a clarification of what item ID is. The inventory does not even show item ID numbers anywhere to begin with, but the option to sort by item ID is there. The item directory is something most users usually don't use very frequently unless an event is about to start, so odds are they already know about itemID from other areas of the site that are actually used on a near-daily basis.

So a clarification about item ID on the item directory search is (imo at least) not really necessary. [edit]Case in point: you're a longtime user and having the option to sort by ID presented as "Time added to site (Item ID)" made you think that this option was different to the standard item ID sorting we have in most other places.

. The original topic was a question in the Help forum which I posted on 07/14. I got a reply which answered my question on 07/14 and added a comment which I thought would be the end of the thread.

Bug replied to my comment on 07/15. Full quote

I then suggested.

Bug then said

I only made this suggestion topic because I was asked to.

@ Ciannwn I know, I checked your topic in Help before posting here.

I think that no further explanation on the page is needed because the item ID option is pretty self-explanatory and easy to grasp through regular play that doesn't involve the item directory, but that's my two cents. If an explanation for item ID is deemed needed by staff, the FAQ would be a better, more accessible and more obvious place for it!

Sorry. I misunderstood what you meant in Post#5

It's okay, no harm done!

Butyeah, to stay on topic: if staff want to clarify it, I think the FAQ provides a much better place for properly explaining what item IDs are and how they work. Then again, for anyone who knows a little about how items are handled in video games, they'll already be familiar with the item ID system.

I agree that the FAQ would be the best place to put an explanation. It could be more detailed than something under the Search Filters heading.

Some users mightn't play video games, though. The FAQ explanation could also include how the item ID filter in the Directory can be useful on Subeta.

I wouldn't mind the text being shortened to just "Item ID", but I think adding an extra explanation of how dates aren't included could be even more confusing, because it almost implies that there's a another way to view the dates... which there isn't.

So yeah, I support just cutting it to "Item ID" and leaving it at that

The only thing I would suggest changing is removing "Time" followed by "(item ID)"

The way it is referenced in wardrobe filtering is "Added to Site" and is completely acceptable imo

we don't really use "item ID" at all if you think about it

My own question was "How do I find the date an item was added to the site when the item ID information doesn't include a time stamp?"

I wanted to know when the Lost Skeleton opened on the site and was hoping there was an easier way than hunting through the News archives or looking for clues on the Subeta Wiki website. I only noticed the wording in the ID filter box because I was thinking about dates - my comment about the wording was just me being grumpy.

If I want to see the latest items on the site I use the pages option and click on Last.

I think adding an explanation might make the situation worse, but taking off the explanation that currently exists isn't better.

What if the wording was just changed slightly to be concise but not misleading? The Wardrobe has the option to sort by Added to Site. If the option was changed to say Added to Site (Item ID), that would give an explanation of what that option does and how it does it. It also allows for a person to choose ascending or descending without having to change the wording. And as a bonus, it creates an element of consistency around the website.

[Edit]I just realized this basically means taking the word "time" off the thing...which has already been mentioned. Don't mind me and my redundant sleep-deprived suggestions.

Or maybe it could be worded as "Order added to site (Item ID)"

I like how that sounds, but I am not sure it is necessary. I think it sounds better out here on its own to say "Order added to site", because "added to site" on its own sounds like it's missing something. But in the context of a sort box, which already implies that things are going to be ordered - ordered by rarity, by item name, by item ID - it seems like excess. I do think the "added to site" part is necessary, because it's not immediately obvious what sorting by item ID does, however.