CW rules now restrict all CWs that have a solid boundary to have at least one pixel wide pure black lineart, but it can negatively affect the aesthetics of a CW drastically, especially if it’s a face item, so I suggest loosen the rules of CW lineart.

A simple example of how this can potentially make the wardrobe, and of course, subeta in general, more fun to play with. Take a look at the item , The black lineart, although made the boundaries of the bandage clean, it made the face muddy, and make the item unrecognizable. In most of the cases of relatively small face items such as the bandages and face decoration CWs, the lineart take up a full pixel worth of pitch black, while the item itself has only 4 or 5 pixels of width, thus make the item muddy and unusable.

I’m sure CW creators have already noticed how many CWs/ subeta items can be so much better if the linearts can be half transparent, or of different colors that match up with the item, so I’m here to point out the issue in hope of starting a conversation. Feel free to discuss below and show me which items you think is negatively effected by the regulation.

My biggest complaint is and always will be the "this CI lies" and the variants thereof. Because?

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ARE ALL ANIMALS. When they were originally released, I THOUGHT THEY WERE BACKGROUND/FOREGROUND ACTUAL FARM IMPLEMENTS, HAY BALES AND OTHER ITEMS.

^ All of these arrangements are DRESSES.

^ And all other colors, lo and behold, ARE WIGS. I see no locks of hair here!

Nice gray lineart.

Lineart? Don't know her.

In short, there's a lot of CW rules that really do not apply to official art. Personally, if it's going to apply to CWs, it should apply to the official stuff too or not at all. Not some arbitrary middle ground.

LMAO the bales!! Every now and then when I see them I think ‘ when did we have foregrounds like these’ and when I hover over they always disappoint me!

I love the line art style in and , really hope they can one day change the rules so cws can have such linearts as well...

while i personally agree on the black lineart on cw being something that should go, i feel like i should point out that both sticker examples are at least moderately difficult to read on first glance. the is especially bad, since it's all similar tones. without the item name or some serious squinting, i'd be hard pressed to identify that grayish-brown thing as a knot.

i think rather than a black line only rule it should probably be more geared towards proper contrast, since while matching colors are nice, there's a real possibility that any details could be lost without clear lines (black or otherwise).

yeah the item art should be regulated still, but the cw overlay is the one that should receive a new rule system, it could be to accept a certain extreme degree of contrast between the overlay and the overlay lineart rather than only allow pure black lineart. For example to allow an deep blue lineart on a cyan dress, or an deep red lineart on a pink wig.

I barely do clothing items because of this regulation, when I do the item , I wanted it to be able to match with wigs of all colors, but the black lineart made it impossible to match with white wigs..

i agree! if it's a matter of keeping a clear outline then forcing a jet black line into something intended to be very light or in a specific color palette shouldn't be necessary, just wanted to point out that those weren't the best examples of how to do that well

also the lying thing is really dumb when half the time i already can't even tell what normal items are meant to be, or find them in the wardrobe without digging around and hovering over everything. the is a pair of pants, somehow. one of these is a hairstyle without beads in it. the other is... a pair of goggles. i would actually prefer this kind of thing not exist at all rather than loosening the rules (it's kind of a hassle, and while drawers exist i shouldn't need them to tell what's a shirt and what's a background, or a wig, or a pair of shoes), but if it's so important for normal items to work this way then CWs should be able to as well.

honestly i assume items whose CI is one thing and the wearable is something completely different exists for official items so items can double both as TC items and wearables? since some people don't participate in dressing their av up much at all and are more pet focused. i do both and personally appreciate items that "lie" lol. but i agree that i'd prefer if CWs could follow a similar set of rules, i think it could make for more creative CIs.

as for lineart, i have to say i think the black lines should stay as a rule, but with exceptions for smaller/more detail focused items. and as far as i know, they WILL make exceptions for those on a case by case basis. and i say this as someone who...never uses black lines at all in my normal art lmfao. i just think colourful lines would make things a huge hassle to match, especially considering there are so many artists producing CWs and some of us have quite different styles, there should be some unifying factor, i guess? also black lines gives a pretty set guideline, whereas having "lines that contrast" is kind of murky, very subjective, and may lead to stress for both CW releasers who get rejections and the CW admins who have to review them.

and , i'm not sure why you think your headpiece won't match with white wigs, i just previewed it on a few and think it looks great!

Yeah the CI's 'lying' about what they are when official items gets away with it irks me. The original CI for the was a patch of snake skin which looked really cool, but was rejected because it "didn't properly represent the item" or whatever that rule is so it became what it is now. But we have so, so many official items as mentioned that are just not that. The salt and pepper shakers that came out with today's collection are somehow wigs? The silken feathers like are somehow skirts???? If official items don't have to adhere to that rule, I think creative liberty should be allowed with CI's too.

As for the lineart.....I don't know, so I can't say anything about it. I only own to CW's because they were made by friends, and I generally don't like or participate in that aspect outside of using the wardrobe to create visual references for various OC's and I don't know a lot about art or art style in general so I'll just leave it to what's been said by others in this thread so far.

I'm actually really glad that the original CI for the was rejected because I wasn't happy with it at all fdfgdsj;;;;;; HOWEVER

Regarding the "CI matching the overlay" thing... I'd love to see that rule relaxed. There would be so much more creative freedom, and I think there's a potential market in making CIs for pet treasure chests (although, at the moment, you can just use an overlay on any particular treasure chest item, so that's something to consider). Also, think about how much easier it will become to NAME custom wears! There are so. so. SO. many. called "(thing) of the (thing)". In fact, I just looked at Subetalodge's item catalog, and there are currently 2489 CWs alone that are named "(thing) of the (thing)". I assume that's because the CI has to match the overlay - ie, when I wanted the CI of a snake overlay to be a piece of snake skin, I had to name it "Shed Skin of the Python Buddy" because "Shed Snake Skin" probably would have been too vague. (That CI was rejected for not matching the overlay.)

I hope what I said above made sense and provides food for thought. tl;dr, I support the loosening of CI rules because I think it will be a boon for creators!

^ Yeah this. I'd also prefer this be allowed for CWs, as someone who commissions many CWs to use primarily as TC items.

I don't mind the black lineart rule, but I do wish the rules regarding colored lineart were consistent. For example - My was allowed to have colored lineart on the overlay but it and other recolors were denied for having colored lineart on the CI. The original color had colored lineart on the CI, but I was told this was a mistake and shouldn't have been accepted. But why? I see really no reason why it would be allowed on the overlay and not the CI.

Your linearts seem pretty black to me xD, I think you are using some same grey-ish blacks as me, such as the color , it’s not black but it’s visually black, so I still consider it as black in the discussion. About the wreath, maybe I care the details too much if you don’t feel the same lol, but look at the image below you can see the black lineart made the wreath seems like a sticker, even though the line is as thin as possible. The effect is more obvious on items such as .
I think Subeta allows overlays surrounded by fog/ smoke to have colored lineart, such as your , and tbh, I looooove this kind of lineart!! It’s soft and does not interrupt the aesthetics of the overlay.
The colored lineart I’m picturing is actually not that colorfull at all, I’m thinking colors like this, it’s a very dull shade of red, but it’s not black, so when creating a light pink overlay, it will be very useful.
Another problem is the official examples of what kind of overlays are acceptable are very outdated, I spent a lot of time to fix my overlays, staffs also spent time to reject them, these problems can be eliminated by providing new overlay examples.

I cannot tell you how many times I've been super excited about an official item because of the CI and it's turned out to be something totally different.

Also, Neugarten just started and while the shampoo bars being wigs is not a surprise, there is also soap that is actually obis. WTF but I'm just so happy Neugarten isn't "vegans rule carnists drool" this year.

The continuing saga of Subeta's "Do as we say, not as we do" rules with the start of the event today.

Right? Although I am happy that there are bottles and cups that actually are bottles and cups, given the number of bottle and cup items I've been excited about that weren't. (I like to have my avatars carry things. I know, I'm a weirdo.)

You're not a weirdo, I do too.

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and now, with the latest batch of items, we have a set with worse and muddier lines than the average CW, yet as far as i can tell the rule is still in place :/ seriously, the item art is nice but i literally can't tell what these are supposed to be on the body. i showed them to my girlfriend offsite and they guessed "bark" and "feathers" until i told them they were based on/meant to be flowers. i genuinely think the pattern looks more like gears than floral.

I really don't mean to be rude, and I'm scared of getting a warning for this, but I'm not a fan of this artist who has been releasing stuff recently like the Flower Sprigs. I absolutely agree with - I understand CWs are paid with real money so they need to be on point, but why is this kind of art that hardly matches anything that -isn't- done by the same artist acceptable?

i think the other items by the same artist have been okay- not the best, but i've been able to do something with most of them- but these are... a bit of a mess.

to be clear: i am not trying to demean the artist who made them, and these aren't meant to be attacking statements. but just looking at these as someone who has done digital art before:

-they don't have high-contrast/black lineart -they have what i believe is a complex pattern, made muddy by the lack of high-contrast/black lineart (which is required for cw items, so you would think it was standard) -they don't even match the other items in the same style (see: vs ) i even tried layering the two, thinking it was a cover up for the harsh top edge of the skirt, but the flower sprig comes too low to cover the line where the silken feather ends. -i literally cannot for the life of me tell if this is intended to be an item made of fabric with a pattern or an item made of many flower sprigs, because the lines aren't clear enough to parse

so despite my typical indifference to cw rules, i can't help but remember that a lot of items that can be identified readily aren't accepted but these... skirts? leg covers? with a light line color and weight, that don't match anything including other items by the same artist, and that are difficult to even identify, are official site art.

As long as I can tell what's going on, I'm good. I use black lines myself but if somebody can still make an image that reads well using coloured line art, then it should be allowed.

And I'm hoping that the Staff who accept or reject CW right now can be a good judge of that.