I've been doing a fair bit of autotraining on a couple of my lower tier pets recently, but not my mid-tier and certainly not my high tier because autotraining for two sessions is certainly not worth it.

I know that currently autotraining is a 24 hour thing, but does it need to be? Instead of training as much as possible within 24 hours, can it be that it's always 24 sessions, but it will take as long as needed for those 24 sessions to finish? A new T1 pet can still get its 24 sessions in a day, but a higher tier pet could take a week or more to finish. If someone wants to put a T12 pet into autotraining for two weeks, why not?

What I'm saying here is I want to give you my money, Subeta. Please let me. (If it's possible with site programming or if it won't unbalance things.) :)

I am 100% for this. Because I have CSC and nothing to use it on and I still want to train, but if you miss that Alert set button you can go days and days without taking them out and putting them back in.

I'm all in favor of allowing people to give Subeta money. I counterpropose that autotraining be made cheaper or cover multiple pets and that sP-acquirable boosters become more rare or account-bound.

The reason autotraining works the way it does is because the battleratti didn't want it at all but allowed that they wanted new users to try battling (even though they were IMO unhelpful and pecuniary to new users anyways). Without the bonus for new weak pets, it wouldn't have ever passed Suggestions. Whether it's true or not, what I remember of many common users at the time who even weren't new, they couldn't be bothered to go train their pets or even see that battling was fun or necessary so why do that complicated twelve click thing? At the time that 25 CSC was established as the price 500 CSC cost 8 MsP on the open market. There wasn't anything much else to do with CSC, IMO.

CWs in combination with the ridiculously high and requiring-no-brains quest system have driven the actual-value of CSC to around 60 MsP so what was once economical for even mid Tier pets (I remember doing it all the time) no longer is.

Furthermore what with relaxing the market-pressure on boosters by adding in Mage Am drops to Quentin and Potions to the Battle Shops, the cost of regular boosters has not gone up with inflation, so the tier of a pet that's worth boosting with CSC also drops. You also can't overpower your medium tier pets with god weapons either so massively boosting one stat to become one punch one win no longer is as feasible.

Battle Questing when it was first invoked also worked towards helping weaker pets and newer users instead of strong pets and established users. It has since been altered so that now even though it can be used still by people with few/weak pets the benefit is much greater to strong/established. This is not a good thing.

I don't know why boosters would have to be nerfed. Not having to be online every 700 minutes to put a pet back into training isn't the same as giving that pet boosters. I can see the comparison at lower levels - nobody is going to be waking up every hour to renew training to it does speed things up there, but at higher tiers it's more an issue of convenience.

Something surely needs to be done because 25csc a day is a decently large investment. My t9 only gets around 5-7 stats each day. Not worth 25csc for me. For the price of 25csc, I can buy a tome and get upwards of 15 stats outside of level.

Make autotraining worth it again and I'll shovel more CSC into the site.

I would be in full support for a change. It takes my T12 pet 725 min to complete a lesson. Auto training for 24hrs gives me a whopping 2 lessons (wow.) Since 12hrs is a pretty nice spread, it's easy for me to set a reminder to put her in for another lesson. But putting her in for 24 lessons (12 days) well that would be really convenient!

I would counterpropose something a bit grander in scale... So we have the Ratskeller Inn and Lakeview Resort to keep your pet fed and happy. What if a "training resort" was created? For a fee, your pet is kept fed, happy, and in training for the duration. The fee could incorporate the CSC, as it's essentially autotraining. It would work with the same calculations as the training center does.

They'd probably have to build a tier based duration limit, because if I put my T12 in for 2 weeks, it would be 28 sessions. My T1, however? 336 sessions. So just reason that the higher the tier of a pet, the better "in shape" they are, and they can handle the longer periods. Whereas my T1 might only be able to take 1-2 days of bootcamp.

I would happily pay out sP, CSC, or even real life funding if I can spare it at the time, to train my tier 8 much more efficiently.

It would certainly encourage me to battle and take part in battle themed events more.

I can see where people are coming from, but I don't know. I'm not quite sold on this. ._.

Would it get more money into the system (and potentially inflate CSC)? Yes. Would it get more pets beefed up and ready for battling? Yes. Would it create an advantage for people who can throw real money at the system? Yes. Would it create a lot more high-tier battle-ready pets, devalue battle prizes and end up with people feeling disappointed and grumpy that nothing is really challenging any more? ... So far, I want to say yes.

From my experiences with training a second battle pet: training is supposed to get you only so far. Battling, BQs and effort with the occasional stat up from training take you the rest of the way.

I feel that all this would do is create a pay2win mechanic for getting a beefy battle pet with no real effort involved beyond adding money and clicking a button or two once you get the event.

Oh God, yes please!

That's an odd argument, Frost. The system is already pay to win.

I can buy oodles of csc and sell it or cs items for millions, then buy tons of stat boosters. The only difference between OPs suggestion and buying stat boosters is that the former is permanently taking money out of the economy and the latter is going back to users.

Yes, but that requires you to do something. To get involved on the site, even to a lesser degree. Sell the CSC, get the tomes, use the tomes, etc. Like you've pointed out: that circulates the currency, it doesn't remove it. It's also not a "set it and forget it" type of thing where you add... idk, 500CSC, set event, wait and let a high-tier pet train while you don't really have to do anything else onsite to train it.

You could absolutely do it with boosters too! But boosters aren't infinite. You'd end up inflating boosters if you hypothetically had enough real money to burn on mass-boosting (and only boosting). And if there was a way to autotrain high-tier pets easily, I feel that boosters wouldn't be quite as interesting for those who had previously bought them by selling CSC.

Plus, CSC really isn't the kind of currency that urgently needs to get taken out of the system, imo. ._.

I understand where people are coming from and I'd also like a system for high-tier training because I'm lazy with my BQs, but I'm still not sure that it's a good idea if staff wants people to actually participate in things and play on the site.

Then again, that's all simply my two cents on the suggestion and I'm not vehemently against this being implemented. Just tossing a different viewpoint out.

I would be more for a increase in training times per csc in my opinion. Say 125 for a week, 475 for a month of training. etc.

1. Auto training is a luxury, not a necessity. There are plenty of boosters and battling exp that can help raise stats for high tier pets faster than training.

2. Auto training only lasts for 24 hours so that you are forced to come back to subeta the next day and enroll your pets again. If it takes 1 week for your pets to come out of training then you technically don’t have to log into subeta until a week if that’s all you’re doing. In a way it decreases site traffic and is one less reason to log on.

3. it’s a higher cost upfront. Take my T13 for example. Each session costs about 130k with a GA and takes 1020 mins to complete. If I auto train for 24 sessions, that will take 17 days and 2.21 million sP + 425 CSC. Not everyone has that kind of money upfront, but they can afford 130k + 25 CSC per day. Quests reset every day so it’s easier to get the daily cost than the lump sum.

4. The reason I don’t auto train is not because I have to log in every day to use it, it’s because it’s more expensive to gain the same amount of stats than me training manually. The only real incentive for high tier pets to auto train would be to decrease training time so that multiple sessions complete in 24 hours. But again, auto training is a luxury and not a quick way of gaining stats. That’s what the booster market is for.

For these reasons I cannot support this idea.