Holidays Are Such A Drag Sticker

Prefacing:

• This might just be me.
• I am not part of the drag community.
• I am part of the overall queer community.
• Pls no attacking, I am a smol and easily saddened bean.

Honestly, I'm pretty disappointed by this. It strikes me as bigoted. The sticker feels like a punchline. "Things are a drag" is meant as lame, or disappointing, etc. Like, I get the joke. I do. But I don't really think Subeta is the place to make a joke out of the drag lifestyle/community. We're doing pretty good with decent (or great!) representation of different types of things. This is a step back. Iunno. It's 1am and I have a lot of thoughts about this that're difficult to put into words that make sense. :c

Personally, I thought it was cute. A lot of stuff on Subeta is puns or punchlines so I don't think this sticker is out of the ordinary. The holidays can totally be a drag, but are still fabulous in terms of decorations, traditions, and celebrating with family. I thought this was a different/fun take on that and don't think they missed the mark.

shrugs I think it's awesome.

So I'm not in the drag scene so I can't really say from that perspective but two things I know for certain are:

1. Queens love puns, especially crude ones.
2. Queens are often the shadiest bitches. Self deprecating, too.

Personally I just thought it was a funny pun not meant to hurt anyone. But I'd love to hear from some queens.

That is very true and something I'd thought of. Most of the people into Drag I know are actually my co-workers, so I feel a bit odd asking them about something from a VPS ahahaha.

Also, some queens are famous simply for being mean, making fun of literally everyone and everything. Which all does not excuse being mean towards the drag community. I'd ask someone but sadly I no longer talk with the queens I used to.

Respectfully, you are all being overly sensitive and seeing offense where none is meant. Subeta is the most tolerant, accepting community on this Earth and none of us are here to poke fun at anyone. This is just a cute sticker. Frankly, when I saw the topic title, I thought the user was complimenting the artist of the sticker.

While I agree with your characterization of Subeta, there are instances where offense wasn't meant, but can still be taken. And I'm not referring to oversensitive people taking offense, but genuine offense because something doesn't even cross the mind of the majority of people. Drag queens represent such a small population that many people won't see anything wrong with it because they don't know or interact with anyone in the drag community personally. I think 's post has given us the best insight so far, but clearly there are multiple ways to interpret the sticker. Many of us won't think there's anything wrong with it, but the drag community might and I think it is fair to ask this question to avoid alienating anyone.

People are allowed to have thoughts, feelings and opinions on things and we should always be open to discussions about stuff like this. One can’t tout Subeta as being open and accepting if people also can’t voice concerns. It’s much more mature being able to bring things up and discuss than simply telling people they are being too sensitive.

My only input, not being a drag queen myself, is that “drag queens are self depreciating” is not an excuse for being depreciating in turn. The self part is the important part of self depreciating. Just wanted to note that it’s not a good argument if the problem is not coming from within the community itself.

Also brought in a good point, from the trans perspective. I'd like to hear more.

A quick note: That is exactly why I said "Which all does not excuse being mean towards the drag community." in my other post, which I had meant to say in my original post. I wasn't trying to excuse anything.

I saw! Just wanted to have it said somewhere. I apologize if I came off targeting/rude, it’s very late and I probs shouldn’t be on the forums now. e-e

I saw! Just wanted to have it said somewhere. I apologize if I came off targeting/rude, it’s very late and I probs shouldn’t be on the forums now. e-e

Oh. I didn't pay it any mind until this came around, and.. yeah. Yikes.

I'm in the LGBT community too, and I have to say -- it's not something I want to see being made a punchline. Subeta handles topics and representation pretty well most of the time, but I'm not awful comfortable with drag / drag culture / "faaaabulous LGBT people" stereotypes being made into jokes. The Rocky Horror Picture Show costume set stuff already irks me for a variety of reasons (primarily the original content author's unpleasant stance/thoughts on trans women, and how that leans into presentation of content/items on here), and this just kind of adds onto the questionable handling of the topic.

Even if it is (though I do disagree with it being perfect), that doesn't immediately disqualify any issues that people might have with things. Since it's open and tolerant, that should facilitate discussion, in my opinion.

this item in no way says that drag queens are a drag (???), even getting down to semantics it's just a pun on a common phrase and the art is inoffensive, the description is inoffensive (if a bit cliche), and I don't see any problem with it. neither does my fiance who is a part of the drag community; I just showed the sticker & this thread to him and his only response was, "awww! I think it's cute!"

i think it's good to be critical of any/every thing, but as pointed out most any drag queen you meet would love this sort of pun. not every depiction of marginalized communities has to be sunshine and uplifting statements, just don't be a jerk and make an uneducated caricature

This felt weird to me too at first, but I think it's just strange to see a Drag Race reference out in the wild? (It's not a specific reference, but I have to assume that was the starting point.) It makes me wonder if that's going to be the next big thing in Subeta pop culture references. Like are we going to see an influx of catch phrases or a Subeautique line based on Ru Girls? Because I feel like that could easily go very wrong. I'm probably getting ahead of myself though.

Honestly though, the item name sounds like an episode title from Drag Race and I don't see it as an insult.

I don't see how it can be seen as offensive? Though the description is hella generic. They could've done something more clever than 'but oh so fabulous'.

Honestly, it took me a second to even realize it WAS a drag queen - and I watch both RuPaul AND the Boulet Brothers.

Are you saying it's offensive because it's saying drag queens are a drag? In no way do I think that this item can be taken as meaning such.

It's taking a common phrase and then drawing a punny version of it as the sticker. Pretty sure that's what a bunch of stickers we have do.

The only thing that's different is that the sticker portrays drag queens. Yes they are a minority group but I'm sure that any drag queen would be fine with this sticker, especially considering that drag queens are most well known for being funny, crude and taking the piss out of anything.

tbh the holidays would be way less of a drag for me if they were as fabulous as that sticker.

Would love to get input from actual drag queens on this, or even more users who are friends with them and can get firsthand opinions and commentary. And from @ amber and @ ariel, ofc.

I remember a topic waaaaaaay back (5+ years ago) where someone went "omg the emo plushies need to be removed, they are VERY OFFENSIVE to people w/depression because of the gray aura, b/c depression is often represented as a gray dark cloud", and... this topic kinda gives me the same vibes. :/ Because, to me, topics like this boil down to a good number of users who are not the "Offended" Group making a fuss in the name of the "Offended" Group because "this might be really offensive, I better post about it for Woke Points".

And that's a drag.

[edit] Edited for spelling.

I'm honestly shocked about what this thread is about - I thought, for sure, when I saw the title that someone was complimenting or thanking staff. When I first saw the sticker, I thought, "heh, that's cute", because it was a silly pun. I threw it in my vault, as I do with most stickers, and went on with my life. This is just another in the series of punny stickers being released during holidays, and all I could think was that there must be some folks who would be joyful to get this particular sticker.

I don't agree with people defending the sticker with the argument that most queens are known for being crass or crude. Regardless of the validity, I think that's beside the point. That being said, I don't see how this sticker is offensive. It's a pun, with a cute image, and a generic/cliche description. It isn't poking fun or mocking. Just a simple tongue-in-cheek play-on-words.

I am part of the LGBTA+ community and I have friends that are drag queens. They did not perceive it as offensive and they in fact laughed out loud and said it's a 'good call'. It's a nice pun honestly and I don't think it is meant to attack or use anyone as a funny relief. I can understand how some people can feel like it's offensive but personally, it looks alright to me. It's like the 'flying ace' pun regarding asexual people. I'm not offended as long as there are no intent behind it.