Okay, so I know this wasn't always a thing. I've always been a restocker, no matter what site I play on. It's what I enjoy with the game.

As a result, I will often run out of money on hand, since I don't want to hold millions in case a nasty random event finds me.

Since when is it a thing that, if you try to buy something but don't have enough sP, that item will be removed from the shop even though it wasn't bought? This isn't me just being outbought by someone, which I wouldn't have a problem with. Even menial crap that I buy for a quest, if I've forgotten to take money out first, will disappear. Whether I'm in dead shops or full.

Why was it changed?

(Tries it as well) Huh, interesting.

The NPC is probably like "You can't afford this thing? Mine now :)"

I think some business logic is out of order here!

So I thought this topic might answer the question I had. Was restocking the other night, had 20mil sp on hand and the shop, with quite a few items (20-30 total maybe) went completely empty. I wondered if it happened to stop someone from emptying a shop or was just a fluke. Or some other reason all together. any ideas? Or answers?

To quote "I think some business logic is out of order here!"

I know it was changed so that the shops do clear completely from time to time or right at midnight or something (I don't really restock so I don't know exactly when it is).

But I have no idea about the trying to buy an item with 0 sP and it disappears. Haven't heard of that happening until this thread.

Was the item definitely not still in the shop when you went back to see? Because I've tried to buy something on a quest, been rejected on not having enough sP, seen the 'sold out!' and then gone back, refreshed the shop and it's back in stock again for me to buy. I think it's a bug...

Ahhh! light bulb goes on I'm pretty sure it was around midnight! Thank you for the speedy reply! :-)

And I think you're right too!

Now that I think about it, coming from Neo almost 10 years ago, I probably didn't keep much sp on me either, and I now seem to remember the same thing happening. I think it's probably a coding bug thingy that's never been addressed.

Shops clear at 2 AM subeta time, every night.

That is such a weird bug! I hope someone from staff can answer you. I just wanted to say though, there are no random events on Subeta that can take your items or money. So you could even keep all your sP on-hand at all times, and there would be no risk of losing it to a random event.

The missing items didn't get replaced for me. Not even during the next restock.

The shops used to clear their (supposedly stale) inventory from time to time (several hours apart). I'm not completely sure if they still do that.

And thank you for that info too! I knew about this but thought it didn't do that anymore. But it was probably around midnight since I'm on the west coast and usually get on at midnight to start the next days questing. lol

you can try it for yourself. Put all of your money in your bank, go to a random shop, and start trying to buy things. You could clear the entire shop out by yourself because the items you try to buy will disappear.

since when does Calvin Blackmoon not come out to take your points away? It's happened to me several times, and it's an achievement to have so much in total be taken away by him?

I couldn't find anything on Google about it, but I'm pretty sure it's not a thing anymore since I also can't find the achievement you refer to (maybe it's retired?) When's the last time you got that random event?

The tax achievements and random events were retired within a couple of years ago or so, I don't remember exactly when.

I just looked, it was Sebastian Phoenix, and it says it's retired. Hm.

ok so i just tested this - bought four toaster pastries in a row but made sure i didn't have enough for the last one - and i can say pretty confidently that, yeah, it actually is removing the item from stock even if you didn't actually buy it (and yes, i went back to the shop and refreshed a couple times and the stock was still showing one less than it should have). unless some weirdo sniped me on one single toaster pastry at 1 in the morning but didn't bother buying out the remaining stock, though the chances of that seem pretty minuscule to me.