Current set: [Item=sword of the seven seas][Item=Swashbuckle][Item=The Ether][Item=Natasha][Item=Ornamented Hook Swords][Item=Dark Goddess Rod][Item=Unstable Sample Syringe][Item=Ancestral Unrest][Item=tainted keeper Skull Staff][Item=Malhuili] [Item=Amulet of Neutrality][Item=Volatile Energized Mecha][Item=Intricate Energized Helmet][Item=Core of the Island][Item=Phoenix Quill][Item=Reviver of the Lion][Item=Mirroring Shield of Brilliance][Item=Chancellors War Shield][Item=Recycle Blaster][Item=Soma Tablets]

[Item=Tasselled Aegis Scroll] [Item=Psycho Smasher Scroll]x8 [Item=Gift of the Forj Scroll]x8 Tons of cobalts, sancts, Spacial abyss, ect

So the immediate holes in the set are Ice, Magma, and Water. Magma Eventually gets filled by Cronus Blade. Water Eventually gets filled with Manifesting Weapon. Ice probably isn't ever getting covered unless

I'm looking at buying a Sword of the Seven Seas with the though being that I might be able to get use out of it until I can win a Manefesting Weapon. However, I also really hate weapon generators and was looking at buying a Wrath of Kahaleitzli to replace

Sword of the Seven Seas vs Manifesting Weapon Manefesting weapon does a few more icons, but also spreads the icons over 5 icons, vs Parched SoSS spreading few icons over 4 icon types. I think the blessing on SoSS is better than the blessing on

Wrath vs Natasha vs PBow I really like the Icon types on Wrath, being able to stack for only 3 icon types with Singed Mods and Gelatin Concoction or Origin. Only 4 Icon types with stacked with ME + singed. I know people like the curse on Pbow, but does it really activate enough to make it better than Natasha/Wrath or is it just a nice budget replacement?

Mana Surge Scroll - If I went with the wrath plan, picking up a mana surge scroll would stack very nicely.

Alternate weapons that might be available? Any thoughts on Malhuli, Ancestral Unrest or Tainted Gatekeeper Skull Staff. Eventually I need to win an Unstable Sample Syringe and a Bear Head bomb.

I think in a perfect world

For ice, the syringe paired with the unstable fairy scroll or ocean currents will give you enough of an ice block. The sandreaver is really neat and the best ice blocker you can get, but the syringe is a good alternative. I also don't know the activation rate for the curse/blessing on the sandreaver.

Unless you have a ton of sP burning a hole in your pocket, I would just wait until you win the manifesting weapon. You can use the sierrac flail in the meantime for an ice and water block. Once you get to 5k speed, it has a really nice freeze rate on it as well. I like SoSS more than manifesting weapon so if one wasn't free, I would go with SoSS instead.

I have never fought with the wrath, but I have used natasha and the pbow. With the pbow, I think the freeze and the curse activation is mostly luck. I've heard of some users that rarely see it activate where as when I used my friend's pbow it activated a few times during each battle. The downside on the pbow is more the fact that without the curse, it does less damage and heals for less. I prefer the heal that natasha provides. Once your pet has a ton of health though, I doubt the 7% vs 10% will be as critical of a decision. I also don't have a generating weapon so the fact that it generates bullets for steal fodder is nice. The bullets aren't completely useless either as you can potentially do 110 damage of one type of icon. I don't know if you also took a look at keiths FWoD? That also blocks fire and has a second heal that has 100% chance freeze. This one is damn near impossible to find but if you want the best of the best, I think this would be it for fire.

Mana surge does stack nice with the wrath, but the magma block is not as critical for a scroll. Plus, you might want to pair your scroll with your second weapon instead. I like tasselled aegis a lot for the dark block since block is one of the most commonly dealt icons, but then again I don't have the ME. I think at one point it used to freeze, I think it's been revamped since then. Other than that, I like ocean currents for the water damage and skelly scroll for the common icon block.

Malhuli is cool to look at, but once you have the syringe and DGR, you really don't need malhuli. The Tainted Gatekeeper Skull Staff can be nice depending on the build of your pet. I like when it has the chance to activate the curse and the blessing when your strength = defense. If you are planning on a strength build, then the attack goes up by only 2 icons, drops a percetage in heal, and drops from 45 dark/45 earth defense to 30 dark/30 earth defense. It doesn't seem worth it for strength builds. The ME already provides you the dark block and spreads damage over only 3 icon types vs 4.

AU I like for the chance at 50% heal. It can be a real life saver in some situations. Physical is also not a critical block for most enemies. It's perk is definitely more useful than the ether and it has the potential to do more damage than the ether un-modded. I would buy the AU to replace the ether if you have money to blow. Otherwise the ether is just fine. The mecha is a lot better than the bear head bomb. I would stick with that.

*Ornate hook swords and tasselled aegis

I think the question I was more interested in was: Which is better to buy first SoSS or Wrath of K.

I ended up buying the SoSS and think I will try to upgrade Natasha to Wrath next.

My logic ended up being that there are a decent number of high end water challengers that over the next 1-2 years would be better to be able to consistently beat, than to wait to fight rouland and get a MW.

Flamagia is also one of the higher up challengers that randomly can score wins against you in BQs, which actually gives Natasha's bullet generating a use. Although in most other cases, I would prefer Wrath of K.

Bear had bomb vs Mecha isn't really a choice, since you would use them in opposite battles. I would use the bomb to 1 hit as many BQ challengers as possible, where the mecha is for longer fights.

All the old god weapons are essentially unobtainable (Mstaff, Ostaff, Bstaff, SSB, Pwand, Sandreaver, Kwod). I'm hearing about people turning down offers of 15bil. SSB might be obtainable since ME is so much better, but I kinda doubt it. It was one of the rarer god weapons to start with.

I think you made a good choice. It makes sense if you already have a fire blocker and no water blocker. Beating Rouland will definitely take a while. Even if you have enough boosters to get you to the stats you need to be at to get 10 wins, he still won't come around until next October. I can see why you like the wrath if you're modding with singed. I just prefer the bullet option natasha offers.

Flamagia can definitely be annoying. There is going to be a point though where you can just chain freeze her to death or your stats are going to be so high you can hit her with anything and still win.

Both are bombs with different uses. I find that the mecha becomes more practical with the impossible opponents since the battles last longer. I am at the point where the challengers that give me a hard time to beat are long battles so I use the mecha. The battles where I could use the bear head bomb, I can achieve the same effect by using other weapons. It doesn't make those battles go any faster or make them any easier. I hope that makes sense.

Even if ME is better, it's hard to come by someone willing to part with it just because it's rare. I know Kwod was released in the crystal shop so there is the possibility that it can be released again if the battle admins want to throw it back into circulation.

Ohhh ya thats what I was doing to flamagia that made it seem pretty easy.

I changed my default scroll set from the 8 smashers to the 8 GOTF. For some reason I always think you can't freeze flamagia.

My plan for the bomb is to keep it in my default set and use it on challengers that have about 2K HP total or up to 3400 HP that would drop a 2-3 turn battle down to a 1-2 turn battle.

With 8 GoTF scrolls I rarely end up needing all 8 weapon spots. I think there are only 3-4 opponents that I need to change my default set on right now

So I don't have a ton of advice at this point, but thanks for the heads up on this bomb. Whoa.

Haha yeah you can freeze but blessings are disabled so she can freeze you back and steal your stuff.

Ok so definitely the opponents I have found so far where the bear head bomb is extremely useful are careaper/careapier. Mod it and your weapon with crit strike crystals and you can KO that bastard when he's frozen before he heals up to full health in one turn.

Interesting what you decided with the scrolls. Why not try 4 psycho and 4 GotF? Then you have the chance to freeze and heal.

Smashers and GOTF have kinda opposite uses too. Either you want to chain freeze for as long as possible or you want the heals.

I'm not really aware of an opponent where I would only need to freeze 3-4 times

There are opponents that have partial freeze protection where you may want to try freezing them, but if they crit hit you then you have the healers to recover. Completely depends on your strategy, but using both may give you a little more flexibility with new opponents.

Which opponent is that?

My chain freeze combo is about 11K damage uninterrupted that already removes a lot of challengers from contention as it is. I have found that the battles that aren't ended immediately by a chain freeze are generally better to have the GoTF

It's not like I can't change my scroll line up if an opponent does need something like that in the future. No reason to waste a slot for it now unless there is a specific opponent.

Malerias familiar has partial freeze protection, as does careaper and careapier. Cinthilocks also has partial protection, but it's high. She's just a pain in the ass in general. You could always change up scrolls and make multiple sets. I usually have a default set and a freezing set, depending on who I am facing. I'm not sure what challengers you are facing now, but judging by your set you should be able take on a lot of the impossible challengers with ease.

Only opponents I can't beat yet with a 3300/2000/2000/1500 pet are:

Prodigy The Mage Baenwurath Cinthilocks Mama forj Meatslab furious Mutant Scientist Prakherash Hoarfrost - maybe If I borrowed a sandreaver

And probably some assorted event challengers.

I can consistently beat all 30 levels of BQs though unless I get Prodigy skip Prodigy.

Yeah all the guys you have left aren't easy that's for sure. It's going to be about doing enough damage to them per turn and having enough health to outlast. Even with the forj scrolls, it's just more stats at this point. Hoarfrost is a huge pain since he has a curse that disables scrolls and a curse that disables scrolls/makes you use only one weapon. I'd say freezing him is your best bet, hoping for a good blast and then hoping you don't get cursed.

I found someone willing to sell AU, TKSS, and Malhuili for very reasonable prices.

Now just to win the Big head bomb and the unstable sample syringe.

Then save up for Wrath of K potentially

Wow you got AU and the Staff in one go? That's pretty sweet.

Sweet nice job! Can I ask what you paid for my own reference? You can smail me if you rather not comment.