Ok let's adress the issue of CW eyes and lips. I know it's something that's always been more or less on our minds, however I do feel that after about four years of CWs, the market isn't exactly as it once was. There's still tons of releases, but it's much harder to fill batches and it's understandable considering there's only so many ways to style side swept hair and jeans.

Now I do love all the items coming out now still, but I feel it would reinvigorate the market to allow facial features. Body mods were once a no no and then they were allowed and I think we're all the better for it so perhaps introducing eyes and lips could be reconsidered?

I did leave for a while so perhaps in that time a reason was given for refusing to alter this rule, but I havent found any and I didn't see any threads concerning this issue on the forum. Sorry if this has been answered already! But otherwise I'd love to have your thoughts!

I would adore to be able to draw eyes and mouths. However I would definitely think that if they allowed us to mod more than just eyes and mouths that there would be more of a chance to see a spike in activity in the market because we are changing the silhouette of the HA.

We've already started seeing this recently in regards to newer CWs such as and .

Another good example is the that works with the [item=delish vir sleeves (base 5)].

But I am afraid that if we limit ourselves to just eyes and mouths it will be a lot like the Body Mod fad that went just as quickly as it came.

(raising CW awareness.)

The cw market has changed so much in the past 3 years that I have released cw's and it has moved forward, but I feel we are at a stale mate.

I agree, we can only do the same hair in so many different styles, can only alter a dress in so many different ways.

Body mods were great, but are not as big as they once were. I feel the eyes and lips will be the same way, we will get flooded and then we can only be able to alter those in so many ways and have only so many colors.

I'm in full agreement - I really think it would be helpful to the market as a whole if we could have more mods.

You can change the silhouette now with any body mods so long as they completely cover the part you're changing - beyond eyes and lips/mouths, I think the only thing that's being left out is noses? I would love some nose options that are just lines/shadows (like the non-cw ones) so we can have more face options altogether.

I agree that the fact that we can't do eyes and lips, even noses really makes no sense. People have even gone as far as to make shoes work better or the kankle feet by making the shoe sit differently on the foot so it appears smaller sometimes, or angled a bit differently.

I think if we're going to allow lips and eyes finally, we ought to be able to alter more thigns too, like those boutique arms. That would be awesome. We've also seen cinched waists a bit, which is also something that I like- being able to make things a bit different and unique which I don't think should be an issue.

The only problem I think would come about allowing eyes and lips is that there should be another price tier added- so that it doesn't fall under 'body mods' which are the highest price and personally I'm not about to pay 600 csc for a pair of lips, just because it happens to be a cw. Sometimes I think earrings and rings are still priced too high considering their size, but at least they're better than they were when everything was 5000 csc to submit into the system.

I think ti's about high time there are changes made to the cw market for sure to revitalize it. It's changed a lot since it was first launched, much of it having to do with private wears and popularity of one artist over another. We've nearly reached the peak on styles concerning hair for sure, which is why so many people stick with one style and just do a million recolors of it.

But mods like arms and legs are still difficult to achieve since we can't make the HA's base body disappear or anything. So, hopefully staff can take it more into consideration and trust that it's in their best interest, since i think it'd bring money back into the site- esp now that it's running better- to open up more free range to designs. =)

I mean, speaking as a customer and not a creator, I've seen artists have their own bases, with their own facial features for their example bases to sort of "manikin" items they're selling. And they're really nice! I always got really disappointed when I found out they're not official items. I really don't understand why y'all aren't allowed to do these things? I mean, is it just because staff wants the corner market on facial features? despite not being able to draw lips I'm sorry it's the truth

I have a really unpopular opinion, but I think it's valid so:

I'm mostly against this one, at least for right now, because I'm...very critical of the quality of artwork that can be passed thru the queue sometimes as of the last year-or-so. That isn't to say that it's bad or lesser artwork, or that Jessi/others (i'm not sure who all is on the queue anymore, sorry!!) is doing a poor job! It's that the subeta style of art is growing and changing a lot from where it has been in the past, and i feel like the standards of what is/what is now accepted need to be nailed down before considering adding a major category that's been off-limits.

A lot of softer shaded or coloured-line-art-in-some-areas stuff is getting accepted, and is also being seen in the official art now, too, but we don't have a really...formal, updated frame of reference for when, why, or how-come-here-but-not-here when it comes to these sort of artistic choices. We really need an overhaul of the rules or at least a spruced up version, because the current ones are now very dated and a lot of some of the other rules (such as no drop-shadows in CI's) are now flat out missing since the forums switched over. This already makes it hard enough to deal with denials imo, on both the staff working the queue and on artists submitting--you have staff denying something and a user saying 'well x item is like that, why can't mine be?', and at times just no real concrete thing to back it up with just because of the way the rules have become a little dated or in some cases missing altogether.

So with all of that already, do I support adding an entirely huge, new category of user-submitted content, that would need to have it's own criteria put in place to be judged again? Absolutely not, at least not right now. I think that would be way too much work to implement right away, especially with how difficult it's going to be to set up regulations for itty bitty lips and etc. so that denials and standards are crystal clear and fair.

Also the stagnation in the market/economy isn't exactly the strongest argument...if the market is a bit stale, what would happen after the first month of the market being flooded with lipsticks and eyes? It's not a fix to that whatsoever. Change overall is, certainly!! but not just accepting facial features.

in my opinion make the most valid points because as much as I would love to see eyes and lips from cw makers, I believe that its not going to revive the cw market from the dead. Its a cute idea and believe me, I think there are way too few useable eyes/lips onsite, but adding this feature is not really going to make a large difference in the cw market. Sure, it would be a booming trend for a while, but then realize the significant impact it would have on other items that are already hard enough to fill.

I understand that a lot of artists would die to have their eyes/lips onsite, but its definitely not revolutionary on subeta and not going to make sales spike upward permanently. Instead, I think more time should be dedicated towards refining current cw features onsite and not on adding another modification.

I agree there is a lot of irregularities with the standards of cws right now, and for sure I don't think implimenting something like these features should be 'fast' or sudden by any means.

I we can't jsut say 'no, that shouldn't happen' w/out at least considering options and what people actually want. If people don't bring it up, it may not actually happen, so it's at least worth mentioning. =) I can't recall how often people talked about body mods, but it was at least brought up enough that it was on staffs mind.

Indeed more things need to happen to have something like this implemented, but it's still a good thing to discuss. I appreciate honesty from everyone personally and I can actually quite deal with things like lips and eyes being something we don't see for awhile while it all gets worked out and other things get refined/altered/updated.

Updates are def important before new things are introduced, but if there's one thing we've seen from staff, they seem to introduce new things before updates are made... so I guess we'll see.

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YEAH i definitely agree; i think it'd be a good idea or perhaps it's worth mentioning now to have it for staff to consider/re-consider. I just think it wouldn't be fair of me to form an opinion of having it happen, the current system notwithstanding; i'm for the concept, for sure, just not it's implementation with the way things are, if that makes sense!

other than that i just didn't agree with it improving the market for more than a short burst LMAO

Oh for sure, I wouldn't want to see the market flooded with a rather short-lived fad, which is what this would be for certain. Things need to be fixed/changed before new stuff can be done I totally agree. So yeah, I agree for sure. =D

This is something we are just not looking at doing at this time :( I know that's not what most of you want to hear, but facial mods are just being kept with official artists for the time being. I don't want to say never, so don't take this as a THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN EVER RAWR type thing, but it's definitely not in the works right now. Sorry, friends! ❤️

This perfectly sums up how I feel about the current CW system. I've sunk thousands of bucks into stuff I can barely fill batches for. It's disappointing, to say the least. Something needs to be done to revive peoples interests, besides just bringing /more/ modifications to the table.

Wouldnt mind a few contests again where we are allowed to make lips and eyes!