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Apr 9, 2016 10 years ago
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I dont think enough people are familiar with the Pawn feature, where you can sell an item to the Pawnkeeper and get some SP for it. Why not add "pawn item" to the options in the drop down list? Ex: sell item; donate; delete; pawn. That way we could eliminate lots of our unwanted stuff and get some sp for it. The Staff might periodically clear the Pawnshop every week or so of unsold items to keep more junk from clogging the system.

Apr 13, 2016 10 years ago
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I'm not sure how I feel about adding "pawn item" to the inventory options for items, but I can get behind the achievement being retired and the sP pawn shop being cleaned out every so often.

Apr 14, 2016 10 years ago
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This would create the twofold problem of clogging up the sP Pawn Shop with items and pumping sP into the system. The Stock Market and bank interest were done away with to combat the latter so a feature like this makes no sense. Have you considered inflation and the Empty Pawn Shop achievement?

I can also get behind the achievement being retired and the sP Pawn Shop being cleared once in a while, but it shouldn't be the norm to clean it out based on the OP's idea.

This is a user topic in Brainstorming.

Apr 14, 2016 10 years ago Official
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Apr 14, 2016 10 years ago
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Honestly, I think that the sP Pawn Shop needs to be retired. Items are better off leaving the system entirely through the Fragmentiser or Recycle Beast.

Apr 14, 2016 10 years ago
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Honestly, I think that the sP Pawn Shop needs to be retired. Items are better off leaving the system entirely through the Fragmentiser or Recycle Beast.

That's fine for people who want items from the Crystal Shop and Recycling Shop but I'd rather have the sP.

Not that I pawned cheap items before this new shop system was announced. I used to just leave them in my shop so people could do cheap quests. The economy might be a bit haywire for a while once the new system is underway because very few people will fill up half the spaces in a limited shop with stuff selling for under 2K. Hopefully, a lot of these low price items in the pawn shop will give us cheap quests for a while.

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Apr 14, 2016 10 years ago
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The only reason I used the pawn shop is to get the achievements. I wouldn't mind it being retired.

As long as we're talking about the regular items side, and not the CW side. I think the CW Pawn Shop does absolutely still serve a purpose and I absolutely poke around there every few days.

Apr 14, 2016 10 years ago
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The only reason I used the pawn shop is to get the achievements. I wouldn&;t mind it being retired.

It might be a good idea to keep the ordinary item pawn shop until the new shop testing has proved successful and people have room to stock low priced stuff again.

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Apr 14, 2016 10 years ago
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When...was any timeline mentioned?

As busy as they are with the new shops I have no doubt the Pawn Shop isn't even on the top hundred "things to do first". It didn't even occur to me at ALL that others might think this could even possibly be an instantaneous change.

If this happens, I'd expect it would happen eight months from now (Subeta SOON). Not tomorrow.

Apr 14, 2016 10 years ago
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When...was any timeline mentioned?</p>
<p>As busy as they are with the new shops I have no doubt the Pawn Shop isn&;t even on the top hundred &quot;things to do first&quot;. It didn&;t even occur to me at ALL that others might think this could even possibly be an instantaneous change.

I just thought I'd mention it because it would probably be a lot quicker and easier to close the ordinary item pawn shop than get the new shop system and economy fully sorted out.

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If this happens, I&;d expect it would happen eight months from now (Subeta SOON). Not tomorrow.

Hopefully the economy will have settled down by then. :D

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Apr 14, 2016 10 years ago
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<p>That&;s fine for people who want items from the Crystal Shop and Recycling Shop but I&;d rather have the sP.</p>
<p>Not that I pawned cheap items before this new shop system was announced. I used to just leave them in my shop so people could do cheap quests. The economy might be a bit haywire for a while once the new system is underway because very few people will fill up half the spaces in a limited shop with stuff selling for under 2K. Hopefully, a lot of these low price items in the pawn shop will give us cheap quests for a while.

Honestly this makes me want the Pawn Shop even less...selling the odd item there now and again is fine, but if the whole userbase suddenly turns to it and uses it to dump all their 2k or less items into, then it'll be generating massive amounts of sP across the board which is really damaging. People can always sell the crystals they get from Fragmentising if they want sP, it's not like pawning generates a large amount of sP fast per day that someone would miss out on. Playing a game probably gives you more reward lol.

Apr 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Honestly this makes me want the Pawn Shop even less...selling the odd item there now and again is fine, but if the whole userbase suddenly turns to it and uses it to dump all their 2k or less items into, then it&;ll be generating massive amounts of sP across the board which is really damaging. People can always sell the crystals they get from Fragmentising if they want sP, it&;s not like pawning generates a large amount of sP fast per day that someone would miss out on. Playing a game probably gives you more reward lol.

If the whole userbase frags everything worth less than 2K, Humming Power Crystals will be worth nothing.

I'm guessing that most people are going to be selective with what they stock in their new, tiny shops. It will be a long time before people have the space for items selling for less than the restock price. It's possible that, for the first week or so, we'll be trying to do quests and finding that a lot of items aren't stocked in any user shops. A supply of these items in the Pawn Shop could help questers until we get higher shop limits.

As for generating massive amounts of sP, the Pawn Shop charges more for selling items than it gives for buying them. If a lot of players are using it to buy quest items, sP will be taken out of the economy.

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Apr 15, 2016 10 years ago
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So we keep all the things because having cheap items flood the pawn shop is somehow better than...a bunch of crystals? There's an easy solution to having too many crystals on site. Add more stuff to the crystal shop.

Or create another use for humming power crystals.

The value of humming power crystals shouldn't be the deciding factor for what happens with the pawn shop. There are plenty of economic solutions to handle the pawn shop's hypothetical absence.

Also, for what it's worth, the pawn shop CAN fill up to capacity, which isn't so much fun. There are people who can't get the donation achievement because people are dumping all their junk in there in the hope of profit and have to keep clicking and HOPE somebody buys one thing so that there's space to donate.

If people want to get rid of junk and don't want to frag, there's always the Donation Center, too.

Apr 15, 2016 10 years ago
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You'll be pleased to know that I haven't pawned any more items.

On 24th April, all legacy shops will be disabled so we won't be able to buy any more items from them. How many cheap items are available for quests depends on how many people put them into their new shops with the shop limits. I'm guessing that ordinary account users with 250 unique item spaces will be very selective, especially when they have to price everything by hand.

It's possible that the Pawn Shop will get a lot of buying customers for a while after the 24th.

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Apr 15, 2016 10 years ago
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I don't care if you donate or not, I'm just saying that in general, it's become a dumping ground that defeats the purpose of the available achievements, so the point (that I didn't make very clearly) is that maybe it's not the benefit everyone thinks it is.

Okay, so? So what if the pawn shop wasn't there? What if prices do go up? Everyone will shout about it and the admins will change how restocking happens or, better yet, increase the store limits so that the economy flows better. I would absolutely rather have a week of pain and then increased shop limits than keeping the albatross of the pawn shop.

I get that you want access to cheaper items. What's the guarantee that anything will be in the pawnshop after Saturday, though? There are a number of assumptions at work here which may or may not be accurate. Speculation can work both ways.

I think we're going to just continue to have different opinions on this. c:

Edit: To get back on topic, I don't agree with adding a Pawn option to the quickstock. For one thing, the money you get from pawning depends on the item price, it's not just depositing an item in a different place. That's a big complication. I think having just the donate option is fine.

Apr 15, 2016 10 years ago
Flying Ace
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. There is something from an earlier post of yours which I forgot to reply to, though.

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Also, for what it&;s worth, the pawn shop CAN fill up to capacity, which isn&;t so much fun. There are people who can&;t get the donation achievement because people are dumping all their junk in there in the hope of profit and have to keep clicking and HOPE somebody buys one thing so that there&;s space to donate.

I don't think this happens since pawning an item was added to the Major Drills quest pool. On some days he's asked me to pawn two or three items and I've never once found the pawn shop full so I had to quit a pawning quest.

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