With all this talk about removing sP from the system maybe the staff should look at moving the Subeautique back to having all the items in the shop but at higher prices. You'd still need to have the invite to access and buy but you don't have to worry about stalking the shop.

I know I don't have the time to refresh for hours in hopes of getting something I want and if it's something I REALLY want there's a better chance my sP will go into the pockets of someone who did sit around and refresh to sell at an inflated price in their own shop. If users are willing to buy it at the inflated price in a user shop I don't see why they wouldn't be willing to buying at an inflated price in the actual Subeautique.

Alternatively it could also work like the Millionaire Centre all fixed and similar prices. (example only: 1mil for accessories, 2.5mil for clothes, and 5mil for backdrops and wigs) When items are ready to retire, or for the Subeatique "go out of season" the price can increase by 25% for however long, a month or two, in the lead up to it retiring.

As with the Grimdark and GreaseMonkey lines being brought back that could also be done with other older lines but at the 25% increase. There's always a demand for these items especially since there's achievements for them. With there being achievements it would only encourage people to buy from other users at very inflated prices.

And yeah, all item prices would have to be adjusted but with some of the changes going on around here this can't be the worst idea.

TL;DR Turn the Subeautique into a Millionaire Centre type shop.

so, nerfing quests isn't ok because that's how you make money, but nerfing sbq (again) is ok even though that's how someone else makes money?

I like this suggestion. It would basically be making the Clothing part of the store match the Makeup part...

But why would I want to buy it from the sbq for millions+ when I can restock it now for less than 200k? This sounds like you're basically saying 'I want XXX item, I don't have the time for it like other users, so make it more expensive for everyone'.

When I don't have enough time to buy from the sbq, I just wait till it deflates in stores, or I linger around sbq in my free time.. I don't think there's any reason at all to make the sbq prices higher.

Yeah no, not on board for this. The prices of SubQ items shouldn't be that high, not when all the older ones weren't and are much, much more affordable.

I've been waffling over this idea in my head too on how to make it work. Clearly the wardrobe is the biggest SP sink we have, and SBQ is even bigger.

My idea was something along the lines of, not getting rid of the invites, but if you have one, you can buy the pieces at their normal prices. If you wish to purchase something without an invite, prices would be tripled/quadrupled. So the invite would work more or less like a "discount card".

However there would have to be other changes made to accommodate something like this. They could be:

• Esmerelda offers you a selection of 3-5 random pieces. You could only purchase with strictly Sp once a day, and if you don't want/need any of that day's choices, then you don't get to buy.
• The store should stay stocked with 2-3 sets that rotate daily/every other day. This whole special invite to never have anything stocked blows. -For the above, limit the amount of daily purchases to say, 5. (With an invitation) that way people just can't sit there and buy things to hoard/make worthless. -Esmerelda should definitely "find old stock" or have "throwback days" where old, retired pieces come back for one day only. Could be say, quarterly, and always a complete surprise when she'll do it. Also, these pieces will be WAY more expensive, with or without an invite.

Basically, the SBQ should also have an option to be set up like the boutique in the CS, where they sell exclusive stuff for absurd amounts of Sp.

OR, SBQ could stay exactly the same, and Esmerelda could have a rival show up in town. Someone who also offers quality, in demand clothing for high SP value. Does Sagittarius have a rich cousin? ; D

You say that like I'm in favour of nerfing the quests... which I am not so I don't know why I'm being accused(?) of that.

But if the staff is trying to remove sP from the system why is it good for the economy that people to be making millions when those millions could just as easily be removed from the system? If users are already willing to buy at inflated prices why should that sP just be removed from the site like the staff wants? It's not that I don't WANT to restock. Obviously everyone wants to do that but sometimes I don't have the time however this suggestion is not about ME getting MY items (I do plenty of shopping in the Subeautique already), it's about suggesting to the staff a way to help the economy with removing a chunk of sP from the system.

That's my point right there - You're against nerfing quests, because you make money with them. What if someone else spends their time restocking at the SBQ instead ? You're straight nerfing how they make money, and it doesn't bother you because it doesn't affect you.

I think you're assuming that everyone buys SBQ at inflated prices. And I think, to an extent, they do -- for older SBQ items. If anyone is paying millions for newer sbq items I have no idea why, because they will deflate (I haven't paid more than 600k for a 'newer' sbq item line, unless it's retired, in which case it's not new and won't restock anyway.) I apologize if I'm wrong, since I can't think of any items costing millions+ that are restocking atm (excluding newer lines, of course, but again-- they will deflate.)

Unless you're saying that people pay millions+ for the entire line, which is different, since the items are going to be valuable anyway and should be worth more.

I really like your idea -- particularly the bit about restocking daily sP items at inflated prices once a day. (if I read that correctly, anyway!)

You did!

There's always a way to get people to spend their money. Staff just needs to find the right thing, and the wardrobe would totally do it.

you can join the subeautique ping group so you don't have to literally stalk it every day. i did and it work well for me. subeatique is one of the game that that some people actually enjoy stalking and feel the satisfaction when finally get the wishlist. much like BHH.

I like both of these ideas!

^ Ultimately, this. As much as I love useless sP sinks, I'm not sure if I'm interested to pay overpriced items. Some people make legit money like this. It's fine cutting sP, really .. but I see this as a way to make money (I don't make mine this way, but not the point). When every way to make sP is taken away, are we going to have to rush over games? Please no, seriously. [Edit]

I kinda like these ideas, tho.

That's my point right there - You're against nerfing quests, because you make money with them. What if someone else spends their time restocking at the SBQ instead ? You're straight nerfing how they make money, and it doesn't bother you because it doesn't affect you.

So what you're saying is that I should be against removing quests? Why? Sure I do quests but not as much as I used to. I use them to kill time and I do probably make most of my money from quests. If they went away I wouldn't be on here as much since I'm not a battler. There doesn't seem to be much else to do unless there's a plot or event.

They're removing the vault interests, which apparently people are using as income, and apparently they're going to be implementing a tax on user shops, which is also income of other users. But I don't see what keeping or removing the quests have to do with turning the Subeautique into an sP sink? The staff are clearly trying to clear out sP from the system and this seems like a good way to go.

If no one ever bought a Subeautique item for over a million why would people restock and resell in there at all? The items I've had on my WL must be exceptions 'cause most are very inflated prices. So much that I've removed some of them, usually older retired items. I'd also be willing to buy instead of borrow for the achievements. I must have missed putting that in my main post but it could make way for bringing back older sets that are high prices in the SS. Again allowing more sP to leave the system than to just be moved around via the user shops.

Clearly this thread should just be locked since I'm a dumb ass for trying to suggest an sP sink. Thanks.

You really are reading way too much into people's answers. Just because someone doesn't agree with your suggestion doesn't make you a dumbass.

People were using it as income yes, but it was more harmful to have it, since it literally was generating money from nowhere, and there isn't a reasonable justification for it. :( It sucks, but changes have to be made that do benefit the economy.

I don't know if I agree with changing the Subeautique to a shop like the MC, but I do like the idea of having throwbacks to the older SubQ lines.

Why are you locking this? Good things can come from this. Your idea isn't bad at all.

You shouldn't lock it. Even if some people disagree (myself included, but not closed off). You have the right to suggest something. There has been some great suggestion so far.

I HIGHLY prefer leaving the Subeautique as it is. In fact, it's fine the way it is. I eventually collect all of the sets I need at affordable rates. I have almost no problems with the current workings of it.

I would like something done about the retired items though. Most of the very old sets are so inflated now that collecting them is a distant dream :(

The suggestion forums are wild but because you say white and I say black doesn't make you a dumb ass

Yes, it's a money sink, but is it a money sink people are going to use?

For it to work, you'd have to retire everything in SBQ, and release new collections with the new fees, to be worthwhile