This News Post has brought on a huge amount of nay/yay emotions regarding the PS mass-clearing every CW in the shop, no matter how long or how recent it had been in the PS.

This is a brainstorming thread. This isn't a place where ideas should be just shot down or people saying "pointless/useless/etc". Some ideas may be more useful than others, however, I thought something more concrete than just commenting in a news post would be better viewed. I didn't think it'd be appropriate to post in the Brainstorming forum as it seems as though only staff make threads there, so I'm posting here (please move this thread if in the wrong area!) Please note that has told me that this is the most appropriate place for this thread. I made a ticket ensuring where this should go. Please don't just knock (a) suggestion(s) that are being made here. If you think there's something that could be improved upon that suggestion, please offer positive constructive criticism instead of being negative. Please also ensure that all of the Community Guidelines are followed! This is supposed to be a positive thread.

I'm going to try and grab all the suggestions/upset/disappointed feelings from the news post here, but I may miss some. If I do, please feel free to add them. Also, please do add your own thoughts/feelings/suggestions on how to make the PS CW section a lot better by way of letting people know how old certain CW items in the PS may be and how they should be featured before possibly cleared.

I'm going to reiterate my suggestions from the news comments:

I've made a thread in the past regarding making sub-categories in the CW section of the PS. The sub-categories would be every layer section in the wardrobe. This way you can see everything at a glance and find things you may be wanting more quickly and easily instead of all melded together into pages and pages of CW items in the main CW section of the PS. This way it may help for a greater amount of PS CWs to be bought and not so many left behind.

Seeing as though CWs are bought and created with real money (be it your buying the CSC directly or buying CSC from another player, it was still initially paid for with real money somewhere down the line), I think that, rather than deleting old CWs from the PS, put them on rotation, similar to the MC. The CWs would be in the PS for 3-4 months. Come the 5th or 6th month, these items should be put in their own separate sub-category marked "Rotation". They would then have that final 5th or 6th month to be bought before these items are rotated out of the PS for a number of months before being reintroduced. This could happen 2-3 times before the items are actually deleted off site (which makes me a little uncomfortable); see the paragraph below.

IF staff is now set on deleting CWs (which I don't like in the first place, just because these are real money items), it'd be nice if there was a 3-4 month period for a CW to be in the PS prior to it being listed as soon-to-be-deleted. The CWs would be in the PS for 3-4 months, then have one extra month in there (on a warning and clearance price), bringing their total time in the PS to 4-5 months (depending on what length of time is decided upon). Once scheduled to clear, there should be a separate Clearance sub-category and all CWs scheduled to clear should be placed there. Each item scheduled for clearing should be marked with a little red exclamation mark or change the buy button from blue to red so that they can be clearly seen would be beneficial within the main CW section of the PS. An additional discount on these CWs would also be nice seeing as they'd be up for elimination.

I also think that listing CWs in order of price would also be nice so that you don't have to search and see what's what for price. Descending numerical order from highest amount (which normally means the most recent in the shop) to the lowest amount instead of all randomly mixed together like a tossed salad.

CWs that are locked in players' CW shops shouldn't be allowed in the PS. I don't know exactly how the locking feature is coded and if it gives the locked items a particular number or not, but it'd be nice if locked items were not allowed in the PS just because those are either private or exclusive. Having them in the PS just isn't right. If there's not a special number associated to these locked CWs, it'd be nice if somehow they could be given a coding number (not Rarity, but something that's worked into the coding itself) so that people trying to pawn locked items off could be restricted.

Finally, I think that there should be a limit to how many CWs are pawned a week. This is the second time the PS has had a sale on CWs and I just see so many more CWs thrown into the PS just so that players can get a fast bit of CSC to buy other things. There should be an even stricter limit on items that are pawned if they're listed for sale in a player's CW shop as "unlimited".

If no one wants a C We (and its been sitting in the Pawn Shop for a year) I don't think the site should be forced to keep it on site.

As for blocking private/exclusive, I think that would be hypocritical since Subeta doesn't recognize private CWs (thwy are a ussr made designation)

If you really care about your CWs don't pawn them.

The pawn shop does need an overhaul, but forcing the site to keep stuff no one wants or discounting it to a nice fraction of the cost seems like a really strange problem.

They have, however, given users a chance to lock CWs in their shops. That being said, I think that should also enable those particular CWs to be locked out from being pawned. If users try to sell private CWs via trades or in shops, it's a visible way of doing so and the original seller(s) can be alerted. In the PS, however, it's all anonymous, so nothing can be done.

In all honesty this is all too tl;dr for me. I don't really have a problem with the system itself other than the outright deletion this week (note that my issue is not that CWs were deleted, but that they were deleted without a clear warning) and the pricing seems wonky since the update with CW pricing. There used to be a clear system for pricing and now it's all messed up, or at the very least it looks that way. Sorting options would be nice too.

The site should not do anything to make "private" items easier to distinguish, since the site does not support private items. Items can be locked in CW shops for any number of reasons including, but not exclusively, the fact that they are private.

There's already been a Site Feedback thread up, where said that staff is considering bringing the deleted items back with a clear note that they will be deleted this time (post here). That said, I do think the Pawn Shop could benefit from a nice, concise thread of suggestions for how to handle a clearing in the future because this obviously didn't work. Though, as long as there was a nice clear warning that the items remaining after the sale would be deleted, that would be good enough for me.

None of the suggestions the OP has made seem like improvements to me. I agree with .

tbh I'm not overly bothered by the idea of CWs being deleted. A lot of items on-site are 'real money' items just as much as CWs are, in that a user could have used real-world money to buy the CSC. The only difference is that CWs are user-created.

I don't mind the idea of a special clearance section for CWs about to be deleted, and better organization for the PS. I looked through it during the sale and it was absolutely painful. Having to wade through a sea of identical wigs to find the handful of other items is ridiculous.

I also don't think unsold copies should be automatically sent back to the creator upon PS clearings, unless those copies could be permanently locked to their account only. I think the idea of someone creating a giant batch of items that ends up in the PS, getting those items back for free a few months later, and then being allowed to turn around and sell those items again for more profit is kinda skeezy. The creator already sold the item once, it was unwanted, it went up on the aftermarket and was still unwanted months later. If the creator cares about controlling their CWs so much they can purchase back the unwanted items from the PS.

I also don't like the idea of removing private/exclusive CWs from the pawn shop. It's nice that Subeta added the feature for the people who want it, but I don't believe Subeta should recognize 'private' CWs any more than they already are. It's not Subeta's job to police whether or not your friend sold that super special thing you made, or to block users from re-selling 'exclusive' items.

And I don't like the pawning limit suggestion. It's really irrelevant whether people were pawning off CWs to get quick CSC or pawning them off because they were cleaning their wardrobe or whatever. They decided they didn't want the CW so they sold it. The idea that a user should be forced to hang onto items they don't want because.... because it's being sold elsewhere? Because it might hurt the creator's feelings? Because there's too many unwanted CWs in the pawn shop already? This just makes no sense to me.

CWs should be deleted if no one is buying them. The worth of the remaining copies will only get higher.

Also, private should stay an unofficial category. Staff has a lot more to do than monitor CWs.

I am 100% unbothered by the fact that CWs were deleted, like some of the other users here, but I'm glad that staff has at least acknowledged that they weren't super clear on it.

But the overall idea of limiting CWs that are pawned seems really incredibly ridiculous to me. Do you know how completely unreasonable it would be if I walked into a pawn shop with a $400 item (we're going to equate that to 400 CSC here because srsly what pawn shop wants a $4 item) because it'd been sitting around my house for awhile, I liked it when I bought it but then didn't really use it much, or didn't like it anymore...and they said "Sorry, we're capped. Can't possibly buy another single item. We already bought aaaallllllllll our items that we allow ourselves to buy this week. Maybe be faster about your decision next week, though, you could maybe sell it to us then".

Because if I REALLY don't want a CW and I can't find a buyer in the regular market within a couple days of deciding I'm done with it, and I can't pawn it for some scratch, I'm probably just going to delete it anyway. Y'know, that thing we're all pissed about somebody else doing.

Now, that thing about ordering it by price and/or category? YES. I was going through that behemoth on an iPad and didn't give two snaps about wigs or frilly/poufy dresses, and that was probably 90% of what was in there. Or at least, what I saw. That was frustrating.

I've noticed a constant theme of "it would have been easier if I didn't have to wade through pages of items" in many of the comments around site.

I'd like to see improved search functionality in the Pawn Shop. Being able to search by item type (or hell, even just layer) or at least by keyword would help immensely.

Count me in for layer-based filtering. I would kill to be able to filter out the wigs.

The only improvement it needs is its sorting. Just a drop down search to filter whats in there and in the main pawn shop would be amazing. But other than that, Nothing needs to be changed/fixed.

That's absolute insanity.

Honestly, I think you need to get over the whole 'these were bought with real money' thinking. A lot of stuff on this site was bought with real money, and those items are not treated any differently than items bought with SP.