1. Restocking has been broken for weeks. Even when there aren't 10+ of items in the NPC shops it's still the same worthless junk restocking over and over again. What makes it worse is that so many new restockable items are Super Rare because the chances of them ever coming in are next to zero.

2. Vending - most of the items are the same worthless junk that restocks in the NPC shops.

3. Quests - most quest prizes are the same worthless junk that vends or restocks in the NPC shops.

I'm sure there's more but I'll let others make their own observations.

I don't mind where the economy is now, . Restocking is still being looked at, I mean there were changes made to the system just yesterday. Vending I find to be quite profitable. There is lots of worthless junk from it, but making every item vended super expensive isn't feasible. Which quests do you mean?

It doesn't matter how often we're told restocking is being looked at - it remains broken.

The Library is really the only quest which gives out a lot of rare and super rare items. The others mostly give out low rarity stuff.

Yes, vending can be profitable and it wouldn't matter so much about the worthless junk we get if restocking wasn't broken.

Where are our SP sinks?

Edit: Apparently restocking is broked. That can and will mess up and economy. Hopefully it gets resolved sooner rather than later.

You made another post at the same time as I was replying to you. It made my reply redundant.

A very good question.

I edited up my post. I hadn't noticed restocking was as broken as it was.

And we did it again haha ^_^

Restocking is definitely an issue (coding-wise), but i think thats getting looked into, so ill reserve judgment.

Vending and questing are fine i think (not perfect, but fine). Not every quest should have benefits as noticeable as quentin or library imo.

But what is the point of swamping us with worthless junk from several different sources? Surely it would be better if most quests just gave us sP with the occasional Super Rare item as a prize.

then instead of having useless junk. you'd have (in a sense) useless sp due to inflation.

Conceptually, Quests give out X amount of worth, whether in terms of items or sp reward. Furthermore, you CANT just look at it from quest to quest. You have to look at the average.

Case : Library Quests gives high rarity items, but usually 1/3+ of the quests are unreasonable due to high price of books. It averages out.

Case : if ALL 15 of Quentins quests ask for 40k items (average is usually lower), and you get 2 amulets and NOTHING else, you ARE making a profit. But people like to focus on the other 13 quests, that they "only" got 5k sp and a 7k worth item. uhh, notsureifsrs.

Case : Malerias. If you get a nightmare potion, you can get 0 sp and 0 items from maleria for 1+ months and you'd still have technically made a profit.

If they gave out just rare items and sp, those things WILL deflate. it's a fact. That's the reason r99s are usually cheaper than r97 or r98s. r99 get given out more (by quests AND REs).

People always focus on the quests they get useless junk on, but forget the r90+'s or the amulets they get. People forget that you can get ~5 amulets from quentin. Those 5 amulets alone ensure that even if you lose money of all other quest (extreme worst case scenario), you still average a profit.

If you want to remove junk from the rewards pool, you should also remove high rarity items from the pool. It's a game of averages.

/(sorry for the) rant

I have to wonder how much restocking (and vending, and the quests system) is being worked on when has been posting about new battle system features he has been coding.

To me, a slight tweak here and there isn't really the same as actively working on something.

I do get the impression that the restocking changes are pretty much just changing something drastic, seeing how it doesn't work, changing something else, seeing how THAT doesn't work, changing something else etc etc etc actual economic strategies be damned...all while in the meantime, vending (the real culprit of a flooded, worthless item economy) isn't ever addressed.

But I'm not sure we can say "RESTOCKING IS ALL BROKEN" without describing what about it is broken. Point being, I don't think we've tried this new change for long enough to see whether it helps or hurts, honestly.

The dramatic lessening of items in the stores is, I think, a good move in theory. I've been complaining for months about the sheer volume of store items contributes to the economic glut, so I think less supply will help the economy overall. The downside to this of course is potential over-rarity, where items aren't restocking often enough to keep up with reasonable demands. We're seeing this already. How bad that gets, we'll have to see. I suspect in two weeks we'll have threads complaining that nobody can afford quests anymore omg whut happun.

Are we finding less amazing super rares while restocking? Yes. But is earning potential down? Not really, it's just changing. Is restocking broken right now? I don't think so, or at least I'm willing to ride out this change for a while to see more precisely HOW the economy has been affected by it.

That said I am still pretty annoyed that there are huge sweeping changes made to restocking Because Reasons, changes that affect the economy in drastic ways, and there seems to be no awareness anywhere from staff about the actual economic effects of any of it.

Is "By the end of the month!" the new "soon!"

I didn't mean that quests should give us more sP, just that they should stop giving out worthless junk. The occasional Super Rare doesn't mean only R99s either. And I do mean occasional, not every quest.

I'll just use Carl as an example. His quests award Common and Mundane items unless he's asleep. As the payout for the quests where we don't catch him asleep is reasonable, why does he need to give out Common and Mundane items at all? He could just give us his usual amount of sP when he's awake. The item prize could be restricted to when he's asleep.

Good question. Based solely on the fact that the existing shops did not close on the date that staff specified, it is a bit difficult for me to put much faith in the "by the end of the month" promise made... But I still had to post it. ;)

I don't really mind the way quests are atm. I make 2-3mil pure from questing, then make roughly another 1mil from autopricing and selling all the crap (rare or otherwise!!) that I get from it, and that's an every day thing. That doesn't feel so bad to me personally? And I don't understand why you'd want the quests to just NOT give out the items, which might be common but would probably still sell if you shopped them. You'd still be making a profit off them, even if they're not rare/super rare... I definitely do.

I'm sorry if I've misunderstood and this isn't about profit, by the way! Or if it's about the value of the items being decreased because they're given out a lot, or something, Idk.

I can't give any opinion on restocking since I don't do that, and I honestly do get the same items over and over again when I get around to vending. Still among those waiting for an sP sink, though, so the "by the end of the month" thing sounds pretty great to me!

We could pull items except for the occasional rares from quests. but that's not necessarily the real issue. i think it's already a consensus that vending was the real problem.

+1 to sp sinks. +2 to item sinks. (fucking run some sort of price average algorithm so recycle beast asks for cheap items. Asking for items worth 100k+ is just wasting space)

Further restrictions on vending would mean having to find more uses for Wizard Tokens such as a lot of new items in the Token Shop and more frequent restocks. Seeing as we're stuck with vending even though we've all pointed out the drawbacks, reducing low rarity stuff from quest prizes could be a compromise. If vending is removed, the low rarity quest prizes could be reintroduced.

If i had full control. id curb everything across the board. Quest sp output, token output, item/amulet output.

SP sinks. Item sinks. Currency sinks. Kitchen sinks. Smarter quest item request algorithms. Smarter quest output algorithm. Smarter recycle beast algorithm. Flood the Crystal shop, flood the token shop.

but i dont. we have to live with what THEY are willing to do.