Today I noticed that items are restocking at the same rate but in greater quantity. 3x greater, actually. Is this on purpose? Super rares are showing up three at a time instead of one at a time, and more common items are stacking up (e.g. How to Read Braille with 19 in stock right now).

Has anyone else noticed this? Is this an error somewhere or is this going to be the new normal?

I would post about it in Problems & Bugs, just in case. I haven't seen anything about it but that doesn't mean it wasn't changed (though it does sound like a bug to me).

YES I DID.

A whole pile of Negating Pylonics showed up, which was really unusual, and now there's 20 copies of common books stocking all at once.

And in one restock, 18 Dark Fire potions stocked. At once.

I don't know what they're thinking - the economy's already flooded because of more buying going on, this is just going to devalue everything. I actually really hope it's a bug.

http://subeta.net/forums.php/read/826542 Oh dearie. Here at least for a bit.

I saw that, thanks.

Yeah. Makes me wonder who's been watching the economy up til now, because...no reason I can see at all to increase supply.

Welp. Should be interesting.

There's a very very good reason for doing this!!!

Buying stuff from other users does nothing for inflation. Buying stuff from NPC shops DOES. Out of all the users here, only 20 percent do much of any restocking. Everyone else vends or plays games or quests. Me, I do a TON of restocking and have the fifth biggest shop on site and while prices are down, my profits are up 'cause it's lots easier.

With the introduction of the new Quests, the average user's sP has gone from 9.5MsP (this after two years of highly deflationary policy) to 12.8MsP. This whopping inflation has devalued the sP. If Subeta was the real world, old ladies would be homeless in the streets, like what happened in the 1970s USofA when their congress tried to fund an unpopular war by printing money.

Something needs to suck up all the sP. If the overall prices drop as some posters here suppose, then new players are not hurt.

What good is increasing supply in NPC shops if the value of items drops so low nobody buys from the NPC shop? Does nobody realize that by increasing supply dramatically with no similar increase in demand that all the SP will still be going to other users when the prices drop below store price?

Inflation is a problem, sure. But increasing supply in NPC shops - particularly commons - far in excess of demand is not the solution to a workable economy, not when far more money is made out of thin air just by completing quests, for example. And quests will be easier and more money than usual will essentially be created out of thin air when rare-ish items are just sitting there in the stores, waiting to be bought and turned in for rewards. It's addressing the wrong end of the issue.

no sorry, you fears will not come to pass, not anytime soon. The only reason the price CAN drop below what the wholesale price is is because vending and questing and other sources produce more items than people need. Nobody's going to sell you something at a price less than they paid. This never happens in RL and it doesn't happen in all the eight years I've played Subeta. Vending and giftbombing used to produce a whole fuckton of extra items. Because they did, there was a lot of items folk didn't want and didn't figure into their costs, since WT are not "Paid for" but quested for. I'd destroy a third of my humongous shop to fragmentize and the schlock just kept on coming. Now, this just can't happen.

This last Crystal Shop drop? I had to break stuff worth more than 1K. I've never had to break anything above 200 for YEARS>

Vending and questing have been limited. The limits work.

Prices have already dropped below store price in a lot of cases. A lot of prices are hovering juuust above where someone with a 30% discount card and the buff could buy an item for. So technically, yeah, I suppose some folks are selling for a profit, but that's not much of a profit and it's not a profit for people who don't have the discount card. This trend will likely continue as supply increases.

This isn't RL. As we're seeing now, this is an artificial economy that can be greatly changed with just a bit of code and an "I'm curious what will happen if I do this". So pulling in RL isn't a great example. You think you're not going to have a bunch of worthless stuff sitting in your store? Just wait. What with vending still happening and twice the items in the stores now, and more people buying because it's easier without the capcha, good luck gaining much profit from restocking. THAT is my point. All of which comes from other users, so it's not being generated out of thin air as you were arguing.

This is also really not the right forum for this, lolol, and it doesn't really matter what you or I believe what will happen - neither of us have the power to change any of it.

I guess we'll see what happens. :)

Edit: For what it's worth, I would LOVE to be proved wrong. I would love it if the economy rebounded, did wonderful things, etc. But I don't think it will. And differences of opinion won't change my mind about it - so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. :3

Just in case you missed it, I have the fifth biggest shop in all of Subeta. I'm not just describing RL, I'm describing how it actually happened and happens here, in my shop, to me. I really do have economic schooling behind my belt, and everything I learned there works here bigtime. I'm a lot older than most player here, and my experiences with my own economic situation also applies here bigtime. What happens in my shop affects Subeta and what happens to Subeta affects me hugely. Will there be a transfer of my mighty wealth from me to new players by this policy? Yep, there sure will be. Awwww...but Subeta isn't real, and I've been having a ton of fun. I hope the new players will have fun with me.

I have ALWAYS had worthless crap in my store. Never once ever in my eight year history of Subeta has this not been the case. This is a known side effect of capitalism: some items that are within the Means of Production of the workers will be worth bupkis, and they will suffer for it. Unlike RL I have never starved or been evicted, so I never had to firesale any of it and the prices of things go up and down over time. I've only broken or thrown away or given away stuff that I just plain wanted to.

I've got stuff back from 2006 that's worth crap right now (zombiedoll dresses, the price it didn't go up), and I've got stuff that's worth millions.

Subeta has a social safety net: games and quests. Games used to give out shit for sP and quests used to be more dangerous than vending WT in terms of stochastic gain. Now, neither of these things is true.

After a few days of this change, I like it. It may not be good for making quick profit anymore, but the increased quantities help with stocking lots of items for fragging.

Did you reverse it back? Rsed a couple of rares that just had 1 in shop :)

(and yes i saw the RS, there really only was 1)