Ugh, I don't like posting complaints here, but I really have to vent about what happened earlier today. I don't understand how someone could find undercutting 1sp in minutes around the clock bearable and be proud of being cheap, but I must have found an exception.

This looks like some kind of made up skit, and yes it's real and surreal.

Just before I begin: Please don't mention the person's name. Thanks in advance.

Me: Alright, what in the world is going on? This is getting absurd.

Them: I have no idea but I find it amusing.

Me: Well I do, and I don't find it amusing.

Them: You're trying to sell csc. I'm trying to sell csc. So when you price under me I price under you.... So? 😊

Me: And you did not mention how you've initially underpriced everyone by 1sp, and despite my numerous attempts during the night to match your price you underpriced by 1sp again. Or does there need to be another person doing the same thing to illustrate why?

Them: ... So you're mad because I've been underpricing by 1sp?

Me: Well, of course. So you would never be mad if this happens to you?

Them: No, its what most people do from my experience. ^^;

Me: Not from my experience. I managed to get an reasonable explanation from another person and we finally came to an understanding. Then no more price war between us. I was hoping that this conversation would ease tensions, but in fact it did the exact opposite. Anyhow, I'm not only angry at that 1sp difference anymore. It means little when you're completely ignoring me. I'll take my listing down so you can do your immature thing, but I'm probably not going to be happy about this for a while.

Them: Uh huh okay. You do that. 😊 I'm hardly ignoring you, I just don't see anything wrong with pricing under by 1sp. And really you have no room to call me immature - I did notice your shop name changes.

Me: Then what should I do, leave it up? I don't get why you'd find it OK to price war for nearly half a day straight. I don't really want to call you immature, but your actions and replies show otherwise.

Them: That's your point of view - mine is the opposite. If you didn't want a "price war" you could have stopped at any time.

Me: I already said I've matched your price several times. I only came to regret it a few minutes later when you undercut by 1sp again. So who initiated and continued the price war? I have the right to match prices just like everyone else to match mine. I'm not looking for a price war. And if they lowered it I have the right to match it again. Wouldn't you agree?

Them: Yes, of course I agree. Just as I have the right to under price if I want to.

Me: If that's how you do it in both worlds, you're not going to earn respect for that. You're not all self important. You need to consider others as well. Then they will be nice to you too.

I'm not the person OP had this conversation with, but I just have to say, when I price my shop, I set my prices 1sp less than the lowest on the shop search so people will buy from me first. I thought that's how the shop part of this site worked? I'm not really understanding why you're harassing someone for doing that? It isn't against the rules. Are they supposed to have stagnant prices til the end of time so they can miss out on sales...?

And yes, if I'm really intent on trying to sell something, I will keep re-pricing my item so it's lowest. What's wrong with that? Not sure how trying to make a sale is starting a price war?

edit: also, I love 1sp undercutters. Because if someone 1sp undercut the shop above me and I do the same to them, and by some miraculous chance someone buys my item first, I'm not missing out on any large amount of profit that huge undercutters take. shrug

Then why are you doing just that? I've never heard of this "gentleman's agreement", I just assumed this market system was fair game and every person for themselves. AKA you don't get to harass someone for trying to get their item lowest price.

The shop search shuffles the order of shops that have the same price on something so if you want to get your thing sold first, you must have the lower price. It's the way seller competition has always worked on this site and it's most likely nothing personal. Why is it wrong to undercut by 1sp? Did you want them to undercut by more, or less often? I don't understand.

I wish Beyoncé would consider me. I don't see what's wrong with what they are doing tbqh. Market is market.

So, let me get this correct. You're upset because someone put something cheaper by 1sp in their shop?

That's... sort of what you're supposed to do? Heck, I might not even put something 1sP lower. Sometimes I'll go 50-100sP lower, maybe even 1k sP lower if it's something that's going to sit around a while. This is really not that big of a deal.

I'll never understand why people think it's their place to police how other people price items in their shops.

I find undercutting by the smallest amount to be pretty hostile, and lacking in etiquette compared to larger amounts, say even 5sp or 1000sp. What if there's cents in sP, and someone undercut your price by 0.01sp just because they can be in front? And this is not a once in few hours event, it's persistent by minutes over many hours, and you have to wonder how they'd even find it not boring.

I might have let it slide if the person gave me some good reason why they need to sell it in a hurry. But I've gotten no word, and have to ask them instead what's going on. All I received was utter disrespect and subject avoidance. Pretty much "You Mad Bro?" and denial. Hence I got really fed up and posted here to let people know that this shouldn't be acceptable. Would you like a community of people who are like this? I wouldn't. It's toxic.

All this grief and drama over someone pricing a virtual item ONE point cheaper in their virtual shop?

That is literally how the market works both in Subeta and in the real world. Competitors selling the same product will try to lower their price more than the other guy in order to attract customers to their shop vs the other guy's shop. It's not a big deal here on Subeta. Other Person's item will get sold first, and then yours. It doesn't mean you will never sell your item ever. I am siding with the Other Guy on this one, not gonna lie.

edit: Having 'the richest user' title in combination with grasping desperately for 1 sP makes this all the more strange, I must say.

Granted, personally I don't care about the prices on my stuff, that's why I autoprice and maybe hand price my expensive things once a week if I'm lucky. /shrug. Maybe I'm just too chill about this (it is a game, after all)

Maybe you didn't get a response, because this is just a silly thing to be upset about.

I should have mentioned that the person was also restocking.

With another person before, I let them go ahead once they had a reasonable explanation and that they admit they weren't completely justified as well. I didn't mind the missed sales opportunity because they went first. I was satisfied that we were able to understand and cooperate.

There were many people who were good on understanding why price match is better than time wasted on price wars. It also makes things more enjoyable to know that you can do something else without worrying if someone will always jump and undercut, and you'll have to manually reprice again.

Isn't this considered targeting because it's obvious who the person is talking about

.... What. If it's so much less enjoyable then yo. Stop dealing with it? Let the dude be 1sP under and focus on other items? Like. Dude you're being a cry baby. shops are competitive. I think 1sP cutters (honestly I always cut it to cheapest ending in a 0 when I'm not using autoprice) are so much more wonderful than the guys who cut off hundreds, hell even millions off.

"I let them go ahead once they had a reasonable explanation" Are you the gatekeeper of shop prices? Chill. People don't have to justify themselves to you just because you don't like that they're cheaper than you and actively keep it that way.

How is it obvious? Am I missing something? (not a call out I'm just confused haha I feel left out of the loop...)

if someone has the time and patience to continually price their shop lower BY ONE SP MIND YOU why does it matter? like shit 1sp is nothing and theirs will sell and yours is next in line, idgi?

it seems like you're trying to start a fight over nothing and you're getting hella riled up about it.

ps does everyone need a reason for changing their shop price? pretty sure COS I WANT MINE TO SELL FIRST, MAN is a good enough reason.

There is no written or unwritten rule that you have to price match on Subeta. They were completely justified in pricing their shop however they wanted, and tbh you're pretty out of line in harassing them about it. If you're mad that someone won't let you be first on the shop search for as long as you'd like, step away and go do something else. Maybe their item will get bought or they'll also go do something else and stop repricing. It seems to me that you're paying an equal amount of attention to the price of that item as they are, so what gives you the right to tell them how much time they should spend on it?

I really think why arguments and price wars flare up, because there's no mutual understanding. How hard is it just to ask?

Yes, I've gone overboard posting here (and I don't really enjoy posting this either), but can't we agree if people were more friendly and understanding this could probably be averted?

At least I've let out a bit of steam here, and I don't want this to get more ridiculous. You all made good points. The world is not nice, and not in Subeta either. It's better here, but I think it could be more so. I didn't intend to join here to get into silly squabbles with virtual items and currency.

And yes there is no written rule. I price match based on gentleman's agreement. I'll look after you and not undercut, if you look after me. I know there's nothing illegal about what they did, but the execution is very poorly done in my opinion.

Lock this please? Thank you!