Torn between feedback, the CW forum and here for this so if it needs moving... Oh well.

I suspect this is just an oversight, however something I notice on a lot of CW wigs is a lack of lineart between the inside of the wig and the HA's face on the left (our left) hand side. This normally looks fine on your standard HA, so long as nothing has to layer under it, but on any HA with a slightly abnormally shaped face, it makes the wig look strange, one of my favourite wigs is almost unwearable for me because of it and it's quite frustrating. We have the lineart pencil item, but of course that needs layering under the wig, rendering it useless.

Take the On a normal base it only just overlaps with the lineart of the HA, and looks fine. But against my Dolly skin with the slightly wider face... It just looks strange, and while anyone with a base NOW can see what will or will not layer before they buy (though I think it's unfair to restrict them like that, though some people might not mind too much), anyone who already owns the items and later wants a new base, may find themselves without a wig they used to use if it doesn't work like it should against even mostly normal bases (things like the Lobster Face strain of virus aside).

To be honest I don't see why this is allowed? I can't see a good reason for omitting that line, and so long as it's no thicker than the HA's face it wouldn't look strange.

I'm not asking for a revisit on older CWs since I know that would be a lot of work, but for future reference I'd like to see this addressed, since it's something I still see occurring in wigs.

I'm not sure how many bases this effects.

I agree that this should be prevented for new CWs. I checked on arvee and there are quite many bases where it looks odd because the face has another shape. [IMG]http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6535/basesen.png[/IMG]

Yeah I was looking at those, thanks for compiling them for me ^^

You're welcome c: I wouldn't have thought that this would affect so many bases though.

You can fix that by layering the under the wig. Of course, it might look a little odd on other areas that go outside the normal HA base, but I fiddled with it a little bit and it didn't look too bad.

That said, I agree it should be addressed for future CW wigs.

P.S. Congrats on the new name!

Is this a problem that can be fixed by changing something on the wig, though, or something that's more a function of the wider face/how Subeta draws zombies? Is it a realistic expectation to have the maker think about zombies as well as dark/light bases? I mean, I ask because I know nothing about having to draw CW's for different face shapes, and the first thought I had was "oh man there would have to be two outline lines drawn on the wig which would make it look like crap on a narrower face.

TL;DR : is there something a creator can actually do to address this issue, and how involved a step is it?

I did mention that items existence in the OP AND stated that it doesn't work because the wig just covers the lines, at least it doesn't work on my base with that wig, since I've not gone through and found all wigs this effects and tested them.

Ah, I totally missed that. That's odd though, I used it on the same base and wig and it worked. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dOlCzuZ.png[/IMG]

I have no idea what you're going on about, it doesn't need two lines or an extra overlay? The overlay on ALL bases is missing the line, but it buts up against the HA's base line on the normal base, thus giving it a line, if the wig had a line of it's own there then it could be used with ALL bases, irrespective of face width, as it would just 'reconstruct' the outline, instead of deleting it. As you can see here: the wig is missing some of its outline, where as this one (which layers fine) has that inner line . I don't think it's unrealistic to ask an artist to not depend on pre existing lines. If you look at the second wig on my base, it reforms the edge of the face with an outline.

It still looks very narrow and pixelated though, rather than an actual outline, which seems weird to me, which may have been what I was picking up on before (since it's been AGES since I bothered to try and use the wig) rather than it not appearing at all.

I'm trying to get an idea of what it takes to draw a wig to these specifications, because the OP doesn't mention what is needed to fix the line problem. That's what I was going on about. Thanks for the clarification and the extra information, that helps.

Support. :3

Ah sorry I thought I was clearer. TBH this is something a lot of official wigs have too, but usually only on dark wigs so it doesn't actually show up =S

THIS^ I have quite a few wigs that are like that, even on my midna skin. They will cover the actual face line with the wig colour. Itd be cool to see line art added to that part of the face, even just overlapping the exact line on the ava face.

I always add those lines on mine xD Mainly because it makes it easier to color in. haha. But yeah...

I know why some people DON'T though. It's because it makes it 47537457378457375374% easier to layer wigs with salon hair or other wigs if you don't add those lines. They'll come together flawlessly, rather than have that weird black line and slicer hair slipping through.

so it's kind of double edged.

I think there are both reasons to add a line there and reasons not to so I think it makes sense to leave it up to the artist to decide how they want it to work. That said, this would be pretty much impossible to police without major changes to the CW queue since all items are shown on a base already so you can't see if the items does/doesn't have line art overlapping with the HAs lines or not.

Couldnt the lineart of the base be made more visible to counter this ?

The line being there isn't a rule and has never been a rule. Some staff artists do it, and some don't (Bean being the most notable one that does, since when CW's came out she made the "How To" video; but she even said that it's not a mandatory thing but something she does because it helps with layering... which is something I 100% agree with). I do think that artists should just do the line, since it really does help a lot. But as Dannica said, I think it may be a little hard to tell sometimes.