So, there is now a category on the Epicon Daily Scores page for "Past Featured Game" with a 0/10 counter.

Is this just for Stealth Bomber, since it had issues? Or is this going to be throughout the event? And if it is throughout, please tell me it will only be the last game? If I have to play Stealth Bomber 10 times every day just to max out my points I am out. Done with the event. Period.

If it is just there to allow people to catch up, why not keep a tally per game?

Aka: Stealth Bomber 0/20 plays, 0/10 bonus

Just seems... odd. More work for those trying to maximize, and not reallly catch up for those who can't.

I'm pretty sure that's what's intended based on this page

I'm just hoping there will be something other than a HA contest and games.

The entire point of it is to provide easy links to games that were PREVIOUSLY focused on, but that you still get regular points for playing, just not bonus points for winning. I believe had posted that by the end of the event, it would be theoretically possible to earn 200 points a day from games, so I don't get what the butthurt is about for us having an opportunity to earn more points each day than just whatever game happens to be featured. You don't have to do shit with the games. You have the option to earn more by playing games once they're incorporated, just as you have the option to not participate and get shit points for it by the end.

Also, I know that the game "had issues" on its initial launch, but many of us, despite all the issues, still managed to get a respectable amount of points off of it, it was just frustrating and took a lot of time. Again, it was an option to struggle through.

Not sure why you took it so goddamn personal, but the "butthurt" is that it's going to be a lot of work by the end of the event once we've featured several different games. Even with a very conservative estimate of 5 different featured 'daily' games, 10x each, taking 3 minutes each play, that's two and a half hours spent just on that day's 'past' points. Usually, events like this haven't required that level of time commitment, especially when it is of the 'mindless clicking' variety (what much of the games are).

It also does no good for anyone who might need to catch up, since any "Past Featured Games" plays are just part of that day's points.

I get that maxing out your points is an OPTION that is not for everybody (although most everyone desires it), I just don't think it's very good design to make the OPTION so mind-numbingly time consuming and unattractive on a site that is meant to be entertainment/a hobby. Is it ok with you if I give my FEEDBACK on that?

EDIT: Thanks for the link, and I agree. I spend about 30 minutes max on games on the site normally. I really can't see doing 4x that just to scrape by on not even max prizes :c

I didn't take it personal, I just fail to see why you got the completely table-flip-rage-quit of the entire event over having to play Stealth Bomber 10 times every day to max out your points.

Yeah, I really don't know how feasible 10 games of Subeku (along with the other coming games) is going to be everyday, but, yeah, I'll probably play them cause I hate missing points ;_;

Because it's a poorly designed, time consuming, no-strategy game I don't enjoy at all, and I don't feel like wasting that much time on it for what is so far, essentially a participation event? However, since we're in the dark about what prizes are going to cost/max earnable points, I don't feel that giving up on easily 70-100 points (7 day event) is worth the risk?

Because Stealth Bomber (again, in part, due to the way it is designed) and Sudoku can easily take quite a bit more than 3 minutes per play, and I feel that is at least approaching "too much to ask" for a fun, supposed to be laid-back/carefree event? Heck, pretty sure you were one of the ones complaining about how long it takes you to play Sudoko. Are you really excited or entertained by doing that 10x each day? Just to not miss out?

Okaaaaay, what I'm saying is this. You don't like the game, I get that, whatever. So, if you don't like that the staff is letting others who do like the game, or at least find it easy to grind through 10 points a day in less than an hour, your initial response is to quit the entire event over it? has posted all over the place the last two days that they determine reward points at the event's end based on the statistics of how many event points users got as a whole. I very highly doubt that everybody is going to be maxing out their game points, and in fact I would assume that the people who do are more outliers than anything, meaning that their extreme efforts are statistically unlikely to highly impact the "average" effort. So if you miss 70-100 points as a whole because you don't enjoy a game, and focus instead on games you do enjoy, doesn't that seem a lot more reasonable than wiping your hands of it and going "Nope"?

This is not just for Stealth Bomber. Each game that's been featured will be playable 10 times a day for points throughout the remainder of the event. Unfortunately it wasn't designed this way for the sake of helping people catch up- once the day has passed that opportunity for points has passed- though we do hope people take advantage of weekends to do their playing.

Yes, it is a lot of work for people who want to max out, but that's how it should be. We'd like to reward people who go above and beyond, and maxing out is totally optional as others have pointed out. I'm very sorry if you feel that the activities for this event aren't entertaining, but again, you are welcome to not participate (or sit out the games that you aren't enjoying) if you feel that way!

Yes, because "I'm out" in the history of the internet has always been a 100% serious statement, never hyperbole or sarcasm in any sense. I just said I'll probably slog away at it because I want the points, especially not knowing what a disadvantage it's going to be and being able to weigh the decision properly. I also think you're vastly underestimating the people who will max out, period. Past events have always shown that. Part of reason we switched to new currency is because of how many people maxed out the last EpiCon to such a degree that they broke any possibility of a fair 'average' scale this year.

I also never said I enjoy the other games, especially not when being asked to mindlessly doing them 10x. I simply hate Stealth Bomber more for the nature of it being a long, click-intensive game with an ultimately random outcome. It's the least desirable option, but I am not being given choice in the matter (why couldn't it be "Play any old featured game x times" or something else, to allow more choice? The scale of points could easily be adjusted to accommodate that).

Yes, thank you, I am now aware of how the event is functioning (not so glad said explanation was buried in the forums rather than, say, on the points page, but that's a whole 'nother chapter book of Subeta Feedback). I'm also obviously aware I could 'just not participate'.

I just don't think that's a good answer to someone telling you an event is not fun.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm not sure how else to address the feedback that the event is "not fun" other than to take that into consideration for future events and suggest that anyone who isn't enjoying the event sit out the parts they don't enjoy! The fact is that there are people who would like to be rewarded for doing more (and have commented to that effect), and we certainly aren't expecting that everyone participate to that level. :)

[edit], whoops

I personally really like stealth bomber (though it was a pain when it was lagging and not working right) I also remember a lot of others really enjoying it during the masquerade event and I believe asking for it to be playable again in the future, which yay for us we got to do that. Also you don't need to win the past games now to earn the points, you just have to play them, so even if the game does have a random outcome for you winning or losing it really doesn't matter any more.

That's all I am asking, is that this be considered, now that I have seen the clarification I originally sought. For the future is certainly good, but it is also still early in the event/before prizes, so it would be possible to adjust now. Personally, I think a "Play x old games x times" solution would be much less punishing time-wise, allow people to tailor their experience, and still give those who want to go 'above and beyond' the opportunity to do so. It's only 'game of the day 2', it's still very doable. Would still like to see the "this is what is going to happen going forward" post(s) put somewhere official as well.

I suppose I am just frustrated by taking so much time (I have gone back and forth for several turns with the Joker and one other card more than once) to get to what is essentially a pre-determined solution. I will say that I am grateful to for tweaking the game and making improvements to make it less tedious.

I can understand that. I don't remember the games actually lasting this long during the masquerade, they seem twice the length. But that could just be my crappy memory

I like the games so far. I also like the idea of making past featured games playable each day for up to 10pts each. But maybe limit it to 3-5 past featured games a day (the most recent games featured) ? I don't know. I feel like that's a good middle ground. I don't really care, just a suggestion xD

edit: don't really know how long EPICon lasts or how many games will be featured so numbers should be scaled accordingly xD

Honestly I'm happy to have a chance at more points by playing stealth bomber an extra 10 times everyday. I know I'm going to want all the foods, 1-3 sets of all the books, a few of the wearables, treasure chest items, and all of the collection items if I can get them. Which is a whole lot. I managed to do it with the Masquerade plot because I didn't buy any of the wearables/misc items I didn't like and I've worked really hard all year to make sure I caught up with every event. I ground my way through Survival, picking up 4 SH potions all the food for gourmand and a whole other set of it for said pet's tc, I had 4 pets who needed dozens of items from those shops. I got everything I wanted in the end of that and then I waltzed right into the Masquerade, rushed around dancing to buy out the whole Libertine Lounge in one go as well as any Menagerie items I wanted (which included 2 sets of the books from all the years and a shit ton of wears). I did the same thing for Vesnali. I kind of thought I was 'done' after that and Subeta summers have always come off as kind of boring to me, but nope we had Tres Chic which I jumped right into even if 'fashion' isn't really my thing, then and ended up pulling off this amazing battle event which although there was a lot of fighting definitely didn't come off as grinding at all, and now this. We've had a huge variety of events this summer --especially considering most summers-- and this event specifically has been the most relaxing event for me this year.

I've gotten to talk to a lot of fans who share my interests, try my hand at cosplaying, and I'm earning points by playing my favorite games, like woah! This isn't me sitting around 'oh god I have exactly 1 minutes and 17 seconds before my next dance' this is me actually enjoying my day, playing games in between questing and battling and gourmand and drawing. Having the past featured games there for me and telling me I can get more points for playing them as well, is twice as cool. It means I'm not just tempted to play Subeku 10 times throughout the day it means I can play a game or two of Subeku and take a break from all the numbers/logic and play some Stealth Bomber instead. It's encouraging me to play more games than I normally would, and it's giving me points for later on when the prize shop comes out. I love that!

Personally although Stealth Bomber is a game of 'luck' it's about just as predetermined as the actual game of Old Maid which there are a lot of children (and adults) who find to be entertaining. I'll agree it's click-intensive but I'll have to politely disagree on it being long. I got home last night at 11:47pm and realized I still had to win 6 games of Stealth Bomber to max out today, and I won those 6 games in under 13 minutes which is 2 minutes not three and that doesn't seem like a lot of time to be honest but after 10 games that's a whole 10 minutes less of playing. It's more than possible to do 10 games in under 20. Now that it isn't the featured game anymore you don't even have to win, just get to the end.

I also don't like the idea of just having past featured games being catch up for those people who want to 'overachieve' because procrastination or falling behind isn't 'overachieving' it's not doing better than expected and it's not being excessively dedicated to the success. I know you didn't exactly word it that way but essentially letting people catch up on daily points is allowing them to complete every game with the 10 times a day limit and 'max out' points which is what we consider to be an overachiever. I'm glad it's a daily thing even if I struggled to play Stealth Bomber before midnight last night. It means I don't sit there trying to grind a game all day to get all the points, stop halfway and become too sick of it to touch it for the rest of the event.

As for playing any past featured game 10 times, what's the difference between what we have now and that? If we have 3 past featured games and you play one 6 times, one 3 times, and one 1 times, you've gotten 10 points like you would have otherwise, it just means somebody who enjoys two of those games and plays a total of 15 or 20 gets more points for spending more time participating/gaming.

I've noticed that seems to be the census with a lot of things, but I do think this summer it's kind of how it is with the events. I mean things like a game being frustrating I understand the complaints about but we've been so varied with specifically geared events these past months. Tres Chic was all fashion and if people we going to complain about not liking any of the contestants still in the competition or that all it was is a fashion show, there really isn't much else to say but 'don't participate then?' If you didn't like battling when the week of old challengers came back it was a battling event and there really wasn't much to say but 'don't participate then?'. This event is definitely a little more varied, different games, cosplaying incorporates the avatar lovers, we have a forum up for it with a lot of encouraged chatter. That's so far though in the past there have been other things associated with the con. With the events this summer like I said there's really not much else to say, especially when somebody dislikes one particular game and gives us a big hyperbole about quitting because of it. It's kind of like taking a person to a buffet and they say 'I don't like broccoli' I mean really what else do you say but 'then don't get/eat broccoli'

It's not 'you're free to not participate in the event' it's you don't have to do that one small part of the event that you don't particularly enjoy.

I'm personally thrilled about this because even on Very Easy I cannot solve a single Suboku puzzle. My brain does not work with numbers at all. I've been stuck on a Very Easy puzzle for over an hour because the Hints button breaks after two hints and I keep repeating myself in columns.

Giving me a chance to earn at least a SMALL number of points from a game that doesn't require me to be decent at numbers and logic (which I'm really not, nor do I think I will pick it up after 25 years of being horrible at them) is lovely of the staff in my personal opinion. I'm very grateful. Otherwise I would not be earning a single point all weekend as I cannot seem to complete the current game.

I actually really love this event so far. As much as I love restock wars, I hate feeling like I have to be on every single second of every day in order to get as many points as possible.

The only thing that has bothered me so far about this event is that the first day the game was so laggy and glitched that I was unable to max my points... :/ I'm one of those people who LOVES going above and beyond for things like this, and making sure I am at the top, so that really hurts.

But alas, it's just a game and there is nothing I can do to go back and get those missing points.

I just finished today's tasks (10 games of Medium Subeku and 10 games of Stealth Bomber). I started at midnight... it is now almost 4 am. Apparently as more games get tacked on I'll have to be very choosy, because at this rate I couldn't feasibly finish... I totally understand the idea of "do more, get more" but this is kind of overkill, imo. Too many of the games just take forever, with little or no effort other than clicking... it's just wasting time. And if you're going to reward us just for spending time on the site, there are less tedious ways to do it. shrugs

[edit] I think I'm so bothered by this because I'm one of those people that feels like if she's going to do something, she's going to do it the whole way. And of course there is the added drive of prizes. And I think that a lot of us feel like we have to do everything, and get everything, and for us this setup is overwhelming and seems insurmountable. And in the end, that just sucks all the fun out of it...