I have been playing both the 3x3 and 4x4 reflection games. The 3x3 seems to limit to only a few of the prizes. The 4x4 gives you only 4 chances for error as there are 16 squares to choose from and only 20 guesses. I really feel that the number of guesses should be raised to between 25 - 28. Or make all prizes available in the easier option.

Secondly, I only need 2 stickers for a full set. One is the new reflection game sticker from the above game and the other is a Block bb sticker. Maybe it could return to the crystal shop as there is only 1 in trades (5kcsc or a universal remote) and only 1 in a gallery. It is available also for 15 referrals - mission impossible.

It should be hard to get a full sticker set but not bordering impossible.

Edit: I got the Block BB sticker from the wishing bush - only need the reflection sticker now!

These are more suggestions, so moving to S&I.

I can see where you're coming from with your first statement. It would be nice to have that number raised, but the game is still possible. imagine what it's like to get that 'perfect game' achievement.

As for the second statement, I don't think the sticker should be made available like that. it IS supposed to be elusive. If I remember correctly, there was a time in which the angelic chibi rainbow sticker was 50 referral points. Anyway, there are ways to get it that you said. And if anything, you can rally your friends to sign up for subeta and get the referrals.

The perfect game achievement will come from the 3x3 game. I'm asking for all the prizes to become accessible either by awarding them in the 3x3 games or making the 4x4 realistic. I don't even aspire to the perfect game achievement.

I would be roundly ridiculed for wasting time on computer games by my friends. Anyway I wouldn't harass them to join so I can get an absurd pixel sticker. I cannot refer 15 people. Nor would I pay $50 real money which is the greedy asking price. The Rad sticker which requires 13 referrals is not so stupendously overpriced. I'll just be patient and wait for its return to the crystal shop.

You seem oblivious as to how long it has taken me to reach the point of 2 stickers to go. I've paid my dues and don't deserve remonstrance.

I didn't mean to come off that way ..;;

I think making reflection easier should be a possibility, and maybe making that sticker a prize for the 3x3 is an option.

As for the other sticker, I guess the only thing to do in that case is to wait. If it was in the crystal shop, I don't get how there could only be 2. I'd help out on the referral side of things, but I only have 7 referral points, so I couldn't give it to you even if I wanted to. I guess the best thing to do would either be to negotiate with the trader, make a buying thread, or put that you're seeking it in your forum signature.

Ty for your helpful suggestions. I'll give them a try. :)

i agree somethings needs to be done about the impossible reflection prizes. i was working on finishing my sticker and plushie collections but it seems i should give up unless something is changed. i'm all for super hard to get items, but not if they're impossible.

i disagree with the Block BB Sticker sticker suggestion though. as you said, there's one in trades currently listed at 3k csc, which is not that expensive for being one of the hardest to get stickers. even after that one is sold, it wouldn't be too hard to get it since it's always for sale at the referral shop. i think it took me less than a week to find one for sale at a decent price.

Regarding the reflection game:

The game is categorized under "mind," and yet, as things stand on the hard version, it appears to be mostly chance. I do recognize that there is some element of luck in many of the mind games, but this is TOO "chance" for me.

Here are some stats from the reflection thread in the games forum, courtesy of :

probability to win playing 4 games every day: 20 guesses: 1/127,733,760 (87,489 years) 21 guesses: 1/9,676,800 (6,627 years) 22 guesses: 1/829,440 (568 years) 23 guesses: 1/80,640 (55 years) 24 guesses: 1/8960 (6 years) 25 guesses: 1/1152 (288 days) 26 guesses: 1/175 (44 days) 27 guesses: 1/32 (8 days)

So as you can see, it's gonna be pretty difficult for anyone to win with 20 guesses like it is now. I would suggest 25 guesses as a good number to make it fair for players yet not TOO easy either.

Like , I'm trying to finish up my sticker collection right now, so I'm pretty disappointed that it seems like it will be impossible to get the sticker prize for this game. :c

I've been here 7 years practically - I have NEVER won a game or got above 4 matches.

Which is why revamp or no - I am not playing this game. Its not fun.

I hate how it's basically impossible to complete any of the collections. :c

Ty for doing the maths. I sincerely wish some admin would comment on this.

Ty for your support and

- 'ere

don't thank me! maths were done by . i just copy and pasted. c;

I've won Reflection on easy mode a number of times now since the revamp and have a small hoard of three of the prizes (Pile of Experiment Plushies, Experiment Beanbag, and How to Improve Your Memory). I haven't seen any of the other prizes and i feel that odds are i would have if they were available through easy mode. It's practically impossible to win hard mode with so few guesses (thank you to those who did the math)...so most of those shiny new prizes are practically impossible to obtain. What was even the point of making them? o_O

I definitely agree that we should get a few more guesses on hard mode. And i'm afraid i'm having trouble believing the claim that the prizes were "evenly distributed" between both versions of the game (as stated by NPC Manwar in this thread). The news post made it appear that 16 prizes were created for this game...3 out of 16 is nowhere near evenly divided.

25 guesses would still be ridiculous given the size of the prize pool. If we do assume there are 8 easy prizes and 8 hard prizes, it'd take (very rough maths incoming) over 6 years to get 1 of each prize, assuming without repeats and assuming you win 1 prize every 288 days. 27 guesses would be far better; that's still only 1 win in 32 games. Which is still quite low, given the size of the pool and lack of alerts for the game.

There is the Sew Crafty sticker now too...

I agree with the reflection suggestion, something needs to be done about it.

I disagree extremely hard with the block sticker suggestion. I referred 50 people by the time the referral system was converted to where we could actually buy the stickers (otherwise i still wouldn't have been there). I was furious last time they were released (and every person was able to grab my years of hard work with just a few k tokens). The original price of the block sticker is +300mil or 65 referrals by the way, the current price is already a good deal. The block sticker is constantly available, at a non limited amount and at a fourth of the original amount of referrals. If it ever appears back in the crystal shop because people are too shy to ask their friends or too embarrassed to admit it to their friends or too fucking lazy to try, then i'm officially done with this game.

Impossible stickers and collection items should be possible. But things of hard work shouldn't become easier, just because people are lazy.

Thank you, , for the stats. Yet another game impossible to win. Come ON, staff. How about giving us at least a fair shot at it? You don't have to make it easy, just don't make it IMPOSSIBLE.

And the whole point of collections is to be able to finish them! But it's actually becoming impossible. If it were just down to luck restocking, I wouldn't complain, but when Subeta releases things like the Sew Crafty Sticker, it makes the whole idea of collecting moot. One of the things that got me hooked on this site in the first place was collecting -- before I learned that there's a new plushie/beanbag in the Cash Shop every month, or that stuff pops up in the Blackheart Hollow, etc.

I don't know, it just smacks of "unfairness" and that's my biggest pet peeve in life (as you can imagine, I spend a lot of time seething with low-level resentment).

I'd like to add my upvote, so to speak, for changing Reflection up. Twenty guesses isn't enough and to get shafted repeatedly and then have to wait two more hours (which means once per day for many of us) to play again makes me not want to bother with it at all, collection items be damned.

Is any admin reading this? I collect stickers. The only one I need for a full set is the reflection sticker which is impossible unless I live as long as Methuselah. Others collect beanbags also impossible because of the 4x4 reflection game. I ask again, please make all prizes available in the 3x3 game or add more guesses to the 4x4 reflection game. I just feel no-one is listening.

The other prizes are appearing in the 3x3. Thank you for listening <3