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[li]Be able to submit directly to CS. [li]Still pay but not the higher price of 5000csc (sacrificing your right to remove it from CS as you're not paying for the right to control it?) [li]Encourages more artists who might not have the time/inclination to deal with large amounts of other people to get their item on site. [li]Allows good items with a more limited audience on site, where they may create more revenue over time (whereas they may have produced nothing through the current system).

I know I would really like this option, ATM having to make and deal with the first batch myself is putting me off really creating and releasing anything. I would make far more if I could put it directly into the cash shop. I think we were talking about something similar not long back

it would also really help out newcomers

this way they can build up notoriety in the CW market, breech the doors and "fund" their ping groups without selling their nose and ears or having to fight so hard against the "competition" (i personally believe it shouldnt be viewed as that but its turned into it), as it is now, even talented newbies cant get batches filled so they either shelve it or have to pay for it themselves, which isnt always possible

id personally love the option as well

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I would really like this, I think. I've messed around with more than a handful of potential CWs but the entire make a board, hope slots fill or front the money yourself and sell extras is tiring, and with the number of reasons you can get reported/warned ever growing (some are legit reasons, but I digress) it's just not worth it.

But I like the idea of submitting directly and basically loosing control of your item. Maybe like, you front $15 ($10 processing fee, $5 for your own copy) then it's tied to the CS indefinitely (or something to that effect) ? I think if the same x rejections = perminate denial might keep a flood of items from pouring in, in terms of overloading staff etc.

(and everyone else!) This is something I am going to get with and explore, because it has a lot of pros and I'd like to see if we can figure out how to make it work :D Something like what suggested - paying a 'fee' for it to go to the cash shop would probably be best, because the biggest thing is if the item doesn't sell for whatever reason, Subeta will LOSE money rather than gain money - since they have to pay Tissa and I to work on CWs ;) But please, continue to share your ideas for something like this, and I'll definitely discuss it with her and the powers-that-be!

Thanks for the reply =D good to know this is being considered! Yes I definitely think there should still be a pay-to-submit system involved, to cover the site's involvement in them.

I'm all for seeing more people submit their CWs to the Cash Shop and I'm glad staff will look into this idea.

This could encourage more unique designs, and I'm all for that.

I think this is a brilliant idea. I would use it, too, if it were available now. And, I believe it would push more towards what Keith had in mind for originally with CWs and shop fronts. Overall, though things may need tweaking, the idea sounds good to me.

Maybe that you can only submit one item a week with only one re-submit, and then if you have to submit it again you would have to wait til next week. The other advantage to this is that the price could actually be lower, as I honestly Don't care to pay 600 CSC for an item anymore when it comes to CW's. I would definitely buy if it was like 250 CSC. And maybe instead of getting profit from each item, they get a cut until they get their submission fee back, that way if the item is a hit then hey look i earned my 1000 CSC back for submitting, and if it's a flop, well I love that my item is on the site at least?

while i understand you from a buyer's standpoint (some CWs in the cash shop are quite expensive for what they are due to the new pricing schemes), from an artist's standpoint i must respectfully disagree with you, and here's why:

when i submit a CW i try my hardest to keep prices down, only charging 100 csc more per copy than what the submission fee is, and never more than 200 csc more if it's a very limited release. but think of it this way: i pour in at least 5 hours of solid work for a medium-sized or simple CW overlay. wigs and more complex items are more like 7-10 hours, and i'm not even including the time spent fixing any items if they happen to get denied. add to that literal hours of networking, creating shop graphics, previews, the mandatory creation of CIs, etc.

now, let's take an item like, for example, the line of crop tops i released. the price to submit one of these tops is 4000 csc. i chose, since it is a simple shirt, only to make the price 500 csc per slot. after it's all said and done, i make a total of 500csc profit for one batch. now, don't get me wrong: part of the payment really is getting my items on-site. that will always be my number one motivation for creating CWs - i love when people genuinely love my items, and want to wear them!! but looking at it logicallt: what can 500 csc buy? one CW. at least 10 hours of work (more in the case of one of my crop tops since it got rejected a few times, which, granted, is my fault) and so much networking and organization, for 500csc.

i don't mean to sound ungrateful at all - i think the CW system is smart and one of the more well-designed user-content programs i've ever seen on any website. i LOVE the opportunities that CWs have opened for me, and i also love to buy and collect them and make them for other people, too! but i'm just saying that while 600csc seems like a lot to pay for one item - think of how much work goes into making these items.

that being said - i think this whole idea is actually a really good idea. there are a couple of items in my shop that haven't filled one batch, and i love the idea of utilizing the cash shop to make maybe less-popular recolors of my current items! i would use it probably as a tool to help me in addition to having my normal shop, but i love the possibilities here.

But that is the beauty of this idea, is instead of costing 4000 csc we are talking about knocking it down to 1500, but you'd lose control of your item, basically turning it over to subeta, my suggestion was that instead of you losing control and only getting an item, you'd also have the ability to earn back your submitting fee. This has nothing to do with the CW system we currently have. It would make the items fall more in line with current cash shop prices where background is 250 CSC not 600.

i hear you there and i understand that this would make that sort of thing possible, but what i meant to address in my post is the idea of not getting any profit and instead paying back the submission fee only. that is essentially what happens now - it's just different numbers.

also i would like to point out that even though the cash shop idea does not have to do with the current CW submission system, having that drastic of a price reduction (both for submission and to buy an item) would cause a definite imbalance and deflation of the market for CSC items and normal CWs as well, just because some people would rather not place them in the cash shop. it creates a situation where the cash shop becomes a necessary tool to have anyone purchase your CWs rather than an equally favorable second option.

that doesn't mean that the general idea is a bad one, nor that your specific idea of deflating both buying and submission fees is bad - it just means that it requires some careful planning and thought.

edit: i'd like to point out also that the backgrounds that cost 250 csc are staff-created, not CWs, and therefore do not require a submission fee - which is why they are 250 csc or less.

From what I'm understanding this would be a second option not the primary too. They want to make it possible for newer artists to get their art into subeta without the rather large price plus time to fill a full set. I see your point, as I have actually made a CW. I stopped because it took too much of my time trying to fill enough slots to even get it put into the system.