Not sure where this should go but here goes:

There needs to be a better way for CW submitters to inform WHEN items are being submitted.

I don't mind paying for slots on items when I ask for a slot but when that item doesn't get submitted for weeks or over a month, then the person submitting SHOULD inform people interested before submitting slots or they risk the person not having the csc.

A couple of days notice would be good - a simple smail or ping to a thread if the time between getting slots and actually submitting items is more than 2 weeks.

I don't have the foggiest idea what you're getting at...?

The item gets submitted once everyone pays, how would you like subeta to speed that up? Are you suggesting reminders should be sent out to submitters if they have a batch outstanding payment for x amount of time?

not that part - I'm talking about submitters who make forums for slots then have to wait weeks for the slots to fill before submitting the item.

I don't mind paying for a slot but I'm asking for a rule about this so submitters think to ping people if it's been a while ;)

Some people submitting cws do this and ask if people are still interested but some don't shrugs

Is this such a widespread problem that there needs to be a rule though?

I'd sMail the individual or individuals and file a ticket as a last resort if nothing is happening too long after you've paid. This is given that the slots are filled of course, since some batches do take a while to gather buyers. Leave a ping inquiring about the batch if it's taking a long time to fill. Don't the legit and reputable sellers ask for payment once an official site notification goes through anyway? Idk the other side of the story (irl keeping someone off Subeta, etc. etc.), but I do agree that people in the CW market should be mindful of other peoples' money.

If someone claims a slot and doesn't have the csc for it, that's kind of their own responsibility. ...And frankly if they're members of groups like 1stbatch and CWfill they're probably not going to forget because ALL THE PINGS. Having to ping everyone, and wait for all their responses is also just going to make getting the items through take even longer.

...Not to mention that people are going to get warned/possibly frozen over this because it is something that would be really easy to forget about - especially if you're like me and more concerned with real life than pixels.

I can't see this being necessary or a good thing.

Except the sale of digital art via CWs on Subeta is a "real life" concern when real money is involved though.

People have a responsibility to pay artists and commissioners, but the latter have an equal responsibility to their buyers.

This is entirely the responsibility of the buyer and the seller, it's on the seller's head whether or not he or she wants to let everyone know ahead of time or risk waiting a bit longer, it's entirely on the buyer's head to keep track or risk getting unstuck and holding everyone up (and possibly loose their slot), I really don't see why Subeta should get involved. As a seller I know that if I have an item that takes a long time to fill, it's likely to take a long time to be paid for, I don't expect much if I've taken forever to sell it, but I also know if it's a first batch and gone through right away that it's obnoxious and kind of rude when people claim who OBVIOUSLY don't have the CSC yet, if I find myself waiting on someone then I drop them a line (the CW pings fail sometimes) and if they don't reply even though they have been on, I cover the slot and try again later, if the trade then falls through someone else gets it, that's how /I/ personally deal with it, and I see no good reason why staff should be involved just because someone can't keep track of their cash.

These are all great points.

Let bad sellers and bad buyers build up reputations and individual punishments. It's the only way people will know who to steer clear of when it comes to the exchange of money.

Basically yeah, there are already a few UNs that send up red flags to me, and if they don't pay in 48hs I won't even bother commenting them, I'll just pay it to get the item through, if I ever wanted to really clamp down on it I'd probably warn them once before blacklisting them tbh, though that's a bit over the top for a few extra days wait for CSC, so I've never done it, but if someone wanted to, it's a possibility.

Hopefully the OP gets her CW or CSC back in a timely manner. Again, I don't know the other side but this does seem like a personal issue between specific people.

This isn't a personal issue between myself and a cw seller. If I ask for a slot on an item, I make sure I have the csc but occasionally I get a notice to pay for a slot I showed interest in many weeks earlier. If there's ever an issue with paying for a slot, I discuss it with the seller.

I didn't think of the effects making this a rule would have - I just want sellers to show a little consideration here. What about mentioning this situation in the cw forum as a sticky? Saying something along the lines of, 'If you ask for a slot for an item make sure you have the means to pay for it and keep in mind some batches take longer to fill than others' or 'CW sellers - If an item takes some time to fill (ie: more than 2 weeks) please have the courtesy to inform buyers that the batch will be submitted to ensure prompt payment'.

Yeh I think cw sellers do have enough on their plate and it isn't their responsibility to ensure all potential buyers have the funds but it would be nice to get some kind of warning sometimes shrugs

But what is supposed to be done? There would have to be a /rule/ that means /all/ CW sellers have to ping /everyone/ in that batch, whether those people want it or not, a /week/ before submission. Everyone would have to wait an extra week, put up with the pings, and that's presuming the seller remembers since THEY wouldn't have a prompt, it presumes they don't need to get rid of the CW quickly, it presumes no one drops out in that week or the game starts all over again. And what is the difference between: a ping to tell you all to have your csc because the item is going to be submitted, or a ping to tell you the item has been submitted and you need your csc? Really? Another 7 days to get your ass in gear? Just keep a list of items and make sure you don't over spend! Most sellers just want to know what you're doing, need a couple of days to get the csc, okay, most batches are rarely paid for all in one go, many others are willing to hold a slot etc... This whole thing sounds like a reason to move the blame from someone who doesn't keep track of their money onto someone just running their little business. It is not the seller's fault if the buyers don't know where there csc is going.

Yes it's annoying when a batch fails to fill and no one gets told that it was retired, but that's another reason to keep track: you can follow up on items and find out if they're still active. Yes I curse when I haven't remembered an item and all of a sudden I owe people csc I don't have but that's MY fault for not noting it down.

This really seems like something that a seller and buyer should discuss, rather than a site rule. I would think an easy solution is to it is to put a link in your notepad that says 'slot on X, cost: X and the date,' or stop buying from people that don't conduct business the way you like.

I think it should be to you to go and manage the slots you took.

Eh.

From a buyer's point of view, I vault all the csc I need for slots that aren't charged immediately and put them in a category named "my cw debts" - so I don't spend the same csc twice. (Sometimes I may stash the csc away in a gallery, but it's the same principle.) I normally keep them there from 6 months to a year, unless there has been official confirmation the batch has been scrapped :/ I also keep a list of actual slot items, but that goes on my (rl) notepad, haha.

From a seller's point of view, I feel bad pinging and repinging people when I'm about to submit a super overdue batch because there's always someone who drops or some unfilled slot that depends on me covering it up. It's an annoyance to make everyone wait for everyone else and keep reconfirming over and over... so sometimes I only do the "confirmation" once and then I straight send the slots away when I've saved enough csc to do the covering, even if it's a couple months later :c Of course I still let people drop or take longer to pay, but I really really feel uncomfortable pestering the ones who do want their item repeatedly :x

[edit] I don't know who mentioned the rule part, I can't see it in the OP... but if this became an official rule, considering most CW artists really dread taking slots as it is, I can only see it making them scrape the items / batches that won't fill quickly (like some already do) and people just not having their items at all D:

While I do hate not knowing the status of an item (for example I had a thread bookmarked that had been abandoned for months before I finally just figured it was never getting submitted after all), I still think it should be your responsibility to keep track of slots. I bookmark all the threads for CWs I've claimed slots on and write the names of the items in the bookmark title. I had to make a separate folder for seemingly abandoned items at this point, but I know that if I delete them all then they'll be submitted and I'll have no idea how many items I owe for.

It'd be nice, if an item sits for weeks or months, to ping people with slots claimed (especially if you are going to submit it after all) but I don't like the idea of making it a rule :/ It seems like a lot of hassle for the sellers in the event that it does just take that long for slots to fill. Annnnd I'm really not sure how much of this is actually coherent ^_^;

and Good idea - I keep forgetting there's a notepad widget to use as well as my compy's notepad so I'll use that and keep the csc in a gallery.

True. cw sellers have enough trouble filling batches and I dislike it when an item is scrapped

..I guess I was thinking aloud here without thinking it through too clearly XD

Ahh it's ok ^_^; I know I also tend to get annoyed by those items that have been pending for months and not a word has been said... until I eventually presume they've been abandoned, but it's hard to just spend the csc because I keep thinking the undead items will come back to haunt me. XD

If you can't keep track of your claimed slots and who you owe csc to, you're claiming way too many slots. And yes, I am one hundred percent aiming that advice at myself.

It's not the sellers' job to make sure we, as buyers, can cover our debts. Also, as a fellow buyer, few things annoy me more than if there's a gap between claiming and submission of even a few days and the impulse slot-claimers start dropping out because 'omg i dun got no csc' which nine times out of ten actually means 'omg i dun want it' or indeed 'omg i got the budgeting skills of a drunken blackjack addict'. I totally understand the compulsion to go 'ooo shiny i want one' but for the love of dog, the whole cw market would run much more smoothly if people only spent the csc they actually had as opposed to fantasy csc. Dropouts kill entire batches, sometimes entire items that the artist has put hours of work into on the understanding that they could finance the project. it's not fair and it's not responsible to your sellers or your fellow buyers and I really wish it would stop. You can't do this on eBay: 'o i bid on it a week ago and now no money lol', at least without consequences as a user of the site. That'll never be introduced here, but the fact you can't behave like that on one of the world's biggest ecommerce sites ought to give rise to reflection on why some people find it acceptable to do it on subeta.

Also is one hundred percent right: we all know it's the same people pulling this stunt over and over, at least on the artists/submitters who haven't blacklisted them yet. This shit is getting so old now. Don't fucking buy what you can't afford.

I see. I just don't really see the need for a new site rule if this isn't a widespread issue. Like you said, it's best for buyers and sellers to discuss problems with each other directly.