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September 8, 2015, 3:01 pm by

still luv these ace npcs!!!

September 8, 2015, 2:55 pm by

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how do you know that people who only comment something like &;yay ace npcs!&; aren&;t asexual too :?

this :^) i identify on the ace spectrum but just because i didn't say i'm ace in my love these ace npcs comment doesn't mean i'm not

September 8, 2015, 2:52 pm by

I don't. But if they are, I wouldn't mind it, though I think they could have phrased it better.

I don't expect anyone to change how they do things by what I say, but if someone wants to understand how I view something, they need to know my motivations. What I have said is justification to my earlier statements. I am not calling out anyone for making a small statement, I am using it as an example.

If we cannot converse with other people to better understand two sides of a situation, how do you expect growth on an issue? My conversation with was quite pleasant even though we may not agree 100%, it doesn't mean I expect them to behave differently or change their viewpoint. I do think we both probably took something away from the conversation though, and that is probably a good thing.

September 8, 2015, 2:46 pm by

Throwing in my two cents on the asexuality comments discussion:

What is so wrong about focusing on the confirmation of their asexuality as the thing to be excited about? Sure the other details are awesome, but theyâ€™re more normal and expected so naturally they donâ€™t fuel as much excitement and get less comments.

Say a kitten and a unicorn both get saved from a burning building on the same day. Can you really blame the news networks when they inevitably have more coverage of the unicorn rescue? That doesnâ€™t mean that the kitten getting rescued isnâ€™t a good thing, or that the kitten is any less deserving of love than the unicorn, but HOLY SHIT A UNICORN. THAT JUST DOESNâ€™T HAPPEN. LIKE EVER. DAMN RIGHT Iâ€™M FOCUSING ON THE UNICORN.

Asexual representation is something that almost never happens. Of course people are going to have more to say about that than learning of Manwarâ€™s love for vegan chocolate chip macadamia nut cookies.

September 8, 2015, 2:44 pm by

how do you know that people who only comment something like 'yay ace npcs!' aren't asexual too :?

they are such small comments i still don't see why they bother you so much. telling people not to focus on it is just going to make them focus on it more. you can't dictate what people will want to discuss especially based on your very personal feelings on extremely subjective matters like whether or not sexuality should be focused on. talk about what you like and move on.

September 8, 2015, 2:42 pm by

Yay. More NPC background info. <3

So glad the sticker is only one point because it is so adorable and Iâ€™m still saving up points to buy all the other stickers in that shop. I wish forum points were given more frequently. Itâ€™s been at least 30 posts since I last got one. I suppose it could just be me having a string of bad luck, but these odds still feel way too low. :(

September 8, 2015, 2:40 pm by

there are people that don't give other people's opinions any thought though, so I am thankful that you do. I understand the representation thing, I think it's beneficial. That's not my problem at all with labeling though and I want people to realize that.

September 8, 2015, 2:34 pm by

I agree that not every NPC's gender or sexuality needs to be stated-- it all comes with discretion. I do think it's important to have representations of everyone, but I don't think it's absolutely necessary to know those particular details about everyone. Because there are some people who never talk or share about those things so it wouldn't be important! It's obviously important to Nico and Liz because that's how they bonded and is something they obviously talk about, but for some other characters it wouldn't matter to them whether or not people knew. I'm glad to listen because listening to other people's viewpoints is important. I certainly don't know everything, so the only way I can grow and understand is to listen. c: You brought up valid points about needing more information on everyone in general though and I can get behind that. We don't have to agree on everything to have a conversation about it!

With all this being said though I forgot to mention how cute the actual items are. I need that plushie pls. And the background.

September 8, 2015, 2:25 pm by

yaaaaas more NPC backstories! I love that Manwar and Nico are Roommates xD, and that we've learned more about Liz, Nico and Manwar.

I hope we get to learn even more about all the other NPCs

But especially Lukien for meeeee.

September 8, 2015, 2:25 pm by

it will be better if they do get more fleshed out backstories I think, same goes for all NPCs. They do need more backstory and personality because we don't have much to go on for a lot of them. I feel it's unnecessary to state each npc's gender and sexuality in those though. for some, I am fine with. it shouldn't be a requirement for an npc though. I am glad you're being understanding with me instead of immediately judging me as intolerant.

it seems to me that it's the one thing they take away from the items, when someone's sexuality should not matter to someone at all. at least that's how I view it. It's different for the people who post that they are also asexual and love how they now feel represented, I understand that. but people passively saying yay ace npcs or something like that seems like they're missing the point.

September 8, 2015, 2:19 pm by

people are just excited because they're seeing themselves reflected in characters on a website they enjoy. they're not reducing these characters to labels or ignoring their personalities because of it. they're just making a quick comment about what excited them most about it. i don't see why that's a big deal.

September 8, 2015, 2:17 pm by

That's true, and some people do get on a single track when something like this is announced. And I agree that a character's sexuality or gender shouldn't be the only reason you like them. I think people are just excited about this because these two are the first examples Subeta has of asexual characters. But I also agree that yes, we should be seeing more of the characters' backstories and should be looking more at all the hints. Like I would've never thought that Manwar and Liz would be friends till this was introduced. But there's also only so much you can do with items. With these items they felt it was important to flesh out their friendships and what they bonded over. People picked up on one word on that and they focused on it probably because they weren't expecting to see it. That's usually how these newsposts go-- one word or phrase or item sticks out and people jump on it. It'll be nice to see them all eventually get Subetapedia entries though, and one of the things I'm really hoping for this month is seeing more entries. Because yeah, I hate having so many NPC's that are just pictures on a screen to me and have no real story.

Oh no, I understand! I don't get mad at people who do it out of ignorance, but I was talking about directly after the plot, when it was impossible to miss. I miss out on events all the time so I don't expect people to know everything haha. Just the people who call Quentin he/she when there was an official dialogue where their pronouns were used, or people who participated in the event but still interpret Esther and Emma as only good friends, which they are but they're also girlfriends. It's just a matter of whether or not someone truly doesn't know or whether they're willfully ignoring it. It doesn't pay to get mad at people who don't know, especially when I had to learn these things myself too.

September 8, 2015, 2:00 pm by

If the fact I'm not sexually attracted to anyone makes me a special snowflake, fuck yes.

THIS ME. I'M FUCKING AWESOME. WHERE ARE MY OTHER SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE ACES SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A SPECIAL BROSTORM TOGETHER?

September 8, 2015, 1:57 pm by

I sounded mean in my post, I apologize. I really need to learn to not come off as aggressive.

But my point still stands. Don't rain on other people's parades. Enjoy the cute new items. And if you can't, that's on you, so please don't ruin it for everyone else. If Nico and Liz are happy, just accept their happiness and move on. There's more to Subeta than just it's NPC.

September 8, 2015, 1:53 pm by

it's not so much that there is one line in the items mentioning their sexuality as there is so much attention from these posts on their sexuality. There are many more posts that only mention the sexuality than the other background that these items introduced. It seems that this is the one thing that many people have taken away from the items when in fact there are more details that should have been taken away. I really don't care what the sexualities are of fake online npcs, or real life people in fact. I try to treat everyone with respect as long as they show it to me. But I would just love to see people judging the NPCs by the fact that they are good friends that have bonded over something other than the fact that they are simply asexual. There are some posts that mention this, and I like that. I would not mind the labeling if people treated and judged the NPCs the same way before and after the label was added.

September 8, 2015, 1:52 pm by

Oh right, I'm guessing it was this year. I completely missed Vesnali this year, didn't even get half a dozen flowers But that just goes to show you really can't be mad at people for not knowing this sort of things about the characters, it happens

September 8, 2015, 1:51 pm by

Sees cute items. Hovers over comments section. "What could go wrong?" Click. Oh Lawd Jesus its a fire

September 8, 2015, 1:50 pm by

Esther was given a girlfriend this Vesnali. c: She's dating Emma from Seedlings-- one of the missions was to help her buy supplies for a date with Emma.

September 8, 2015, 1:49 pm by

I read the news wrong, and thought these were referral shop additions. I'm happy they are forum shop items instead. Yay!

September 8, 2015, 1:48 pm by

And also yeah, it's totally fine to not want to be labeled and people should respect that. But please don't shame people who embrace their labels. Labels are a way for people to find others like them and to promote a sense of community. They should always be optional. But the people who worked on these characters decided that Nico and Liz would label themselves so yes, they're asexual and that's a label they as characters obviously embrace.

September 8, 2015, 1:48 pm by

Wait, Esther has a girlfriend? Since when? Was it during the Tempest thing? I don't remember that

September 8, 2015, 1:46 pm by

I wasn't referring to how people were handling themselves. I was referring to some of the shitty things people have said :)

September 8, 2015, 1:46 pm by

Another ace here, and sooo happy to see representation! Had to come out of the woodwork to say so, even though I hardly ever 'talk' on this site. Thanks for giving us these awesome items guys!

Labels don't and shouldn't define us, but they can actually be wonderful and freeing. If you've lived all your life without a word for what and who you are in your heart, and what and who you are doesn't fit into societal norms, you wind up feeling like there must be something wrong with you. Like you're broken or 'nothing'. But then one day you find out 'there's a word for that, you're not broken at all you're just label and there's other people just like you'. And it's amazing. At least, that's how it was for me. Just wanted to say that I guess ... *now excuse me while I vanish back into the mist that hides shy people from things like online forums DX *

September 8, 2015, 1:43 pm by

I had a longer comment written but. -shrugs- If you all don't want things to be so explicitly stated, maybe try listening when hints are dropped. Because people are still misgendering Quentin, I saw people treating Esther as if she was straight even right after she was given a girlfriend, and in general people ignore any new representation that crops up unless it's spelled out.

Also, we got a lot more information other than their sexualities so idk what everyone is complaining about. We learned that Nico and Liz are really good friends, that they play video games and board games together, that they cuddle, that Liz's Squidley loves hugs and loves hugging people, that Liz's horns tear holes in pillows and probably other things (imagine how hard it is to get dressed with horns), that Liz, Nico, or Manwar could be vegan, that Manwar hangs out with them sometimes and that Liz might even hang out with Manwar without Nico. I don't understand why that's not enough development just because they're asexual, considering we used to know next to nothing about them and now we can imagine how a day might go in their life. Also, cough cough, can I point out that we still know nothing about the owner of Apocalyptic Apothecary? Defend and Conquer? Spells Galore? Weapons Warehouse? The girl who's run the Accessory Bin for years but is so unfleshed out that I don't even know if she has a name? There are so many characters that need to be fleshed out that I don't understand why stating a character's sexuality isn't worth of being considered information about them or is too 'in your face'.

I don't get why we have to brush people's differences under the rug instead of learning to accept that people are different and that's okay. I LIKE my labels. What I DON'T like is people judging me because of it. Labels are okay and can be affirming for people. Judging people because of a label or labeling people without permission or judging people who choose to label themselves and are happy with that is not.

September 8, 2015, 1:40 pm by

Actually, everyone has been pretty calm and respectful in voicing their opinions.

September 8, 2015, 1:38 pm by

D'aww, those items are adorable. Especially that fleece throw, I want it like, yesterday. XD

September 8, 2015, 1:37 pm by

Agreeing with here. Besides that one line, the entire post is about their friendships and interactions, not their sexuality. That's just the ONLY thing y'all is focusing on. Meaning YOU'RE turning this all into "they're asexual characters who happen to be gamers", not Subeta. I've noticed a few of the comments stating they had HEARD Nico was asexual or these characters were asexual, but weren't sure. This isn't shoving their sexuality in your faces, it's CONFIRMING what some people were confused about. So get your panties out of a twist over this, really. It's childish. Let people be happy there are characters on a site they love and frequent that represent them and they can feel a kinship with and stop trying to rain on their parade. And stop trying to turn a post that gives a bit more back story on NPCs and their regular interactions with others into JUST their sexuality.

Just be happy there are new, adorable items with a little information on characters. And if you can't be, don't spoil the fun for everyone else.

September 8, 2015, 1:36 pm by

Isn't there some breakage of the Code of Conduct going in these comments?

September 8, 2015, 1:35 pm by

Probably, that's partially why I keep quiet. But just like the sexuality spectrum, there is more than loving and hating something.

September 8, 2015, 1:32 pm by

you know that's what people are thinking of us already, even though neither of us have said anything against different sexualities. We can be 100% supportive of diversity and still feel uncomfortable with labeling. They aren't mutually exclusive.

September 8, 2015, 1:29 pm by

LOVE THESE ACE NPCS!!!!!!!

September 8, 2015, 1:28 pm by

Right, it makes people happy, almost always a good thing, but not everything needs a label. Of course, I also wish that you weren't labeled (there we go again) some kind of -ist or -phobe if you say something that isn't extremely positive.

September 8, 2015, 1:27 pm by

This comment section turned out exactly as I expected and it's weirding me out

Why can't people just calm down

September 8, 2015, 1:25 pm by

most of the comments on this page are about their sexuality though. Sexuality can be hinted at without outright stating it. Someone asked for a list of NPC sexualities earlier, and the fact that something like that may exist makes me very uncomfortable. Again, too much focus on that, when there could be so much more emphasis on actual personality.

September 8, 2015, 1:19 pm by

I think the problem is that everyone is narrowing down too much because it's mentioned? It's literally one line "they met and bonded over this" and everything else, EVERYTHING ELSE, is dedicated to describing their friendships and interactions. Like, this talks a lot more about how they like to hang out, cuddle, play games and eat cookies and oh yeah these 2 people happened to meet bc they were ace. In no way is it narrowing them down to their sexuality or focusing only on it.

drops mic

(im not cool enough to mic drop)

September 8, 2015, 1:12 pm by

sorta have to agree with you, despite the outpouring of support and stuff, I wish there was not so much emphasis on sexuality. It does seem like we're starting to label everything by gender and sexuality. I am happy for more representation, and I love how happy people are from the changes, but I am uncomfortable by reducing one's character down to sexuality.

September 8, 2015, 1:11 pm by

This is an awesome addition and I'm really happy the staff on this site is so open minded.

September 8, 2015, 1:07 pm by

To anyone complaining about how tumblr this is, please stop. It's a fact of life. People have SHOCK different genders, sexualities, romantic alignments, etc. That's because they're different people. Almost like people are all different. Wow. ANYWAYS I love how characters that didn't have much to them are being built up with these really good details of diversity, and gives them personality quirks and helps people visualize their interactions and relationships. It means a lot to see some ace representation, and I hope we get to learn more about Nico, Liz and Manwar soon.

September 8, 2015, 1:03 pm by

wow, subeta, how dare you represent minorities. if they're not society's "default," you are literally rubbing it in our faces, and it's totes all about politics and not real people's legit identities. i want more npc's just like me, but not like anyone else, kthx.

Seriously, though, it's fantastic that Subeta can have such diversity on site, instead of shying away from it as so much other media tends to do.

September 8, 2015, 12:42 pm by

When I heard platonical soul mates, I automatically think of moirails hearts

September 8, 2015, 12:35 pm by

I usually keep quiet about these things, I was raised by an old fashioned southern grandma and greatgrandma and one of the things they taught me was "you don't talk about certain things in public." Which includes the internet. So I try to stay away from the religious, political, and now sexual issues.

I do wish it didn't have to be this way, where a character is only, or almost only classified as their sexuality. I'm not picking on Subeta here, but since this is the "issue" right now, here's what I mean. Nico and Manwar haven't been relevant except as shop keepers since what, the first EPICon? Which means what little development they've seen is "They're asexual." Same goes with Liz, I think this is the first time I've seen her included in anything other than her announcement. Ian is about the same, though he got some personality as well last Morostide. Conner got some development as well, and he seems to be gynophobic, a word I recently just learned thanks in part to Fatal Frame V (so yeah, we're always learning) which seems to be less "scared of females in general" and more "scared of females (and everyone) because he stutters."

I was watching Chopped a few nights ago and one of the contestants on there said something that boiled down to "I'm a gay man in a chef's jacket." Which to me says he sees himself more as gay than a chef. "I'm a gay man who happens to be a chef." as opposed to "I'm a chef who just happens to also like men."

Yeah, it makes sense, and if that's how you see yourself fine, but I wish, especially online, it wasn't like that. I like how Kung Jin was handled in Mortal Kombat. They aren't blasting him around (again, not specifically calling out Subeta here) as their first gay kombatant. Apart from a throwaway line (and I say throwaway because until a producer said "Yes, he's gay." there was a lot of "Is he/isn't he?") and a couple of interactions (like Tanya hitting on him and him telling her she's barking up the wrong tree) you don't really know it. They made him a skilled fighter, Shaolin warrior, Special Forces member who happens to be gay. Not a gay man who happens to do those things. You look at his design, and there's nothing stereotypical about him. You wouldn't think it (unless you're a shipper) unless you played story mode or fought him against Tanya.

So what it boils down to me trying to say is this: I do appreciate Subeta being diverse, because let's face it, the world is diverse. I do understand people wanting to be represented on the sexual spectrum, not even going into the terms here because there are so many and I don't even know what half of them mean and I don't want to use the wrong one, I just wish it wasn't all about their character. I wish they didn't have to be labeled in the items they make. Yeah, everyone can't get plot attention, but I do wish there were more NPC interactions (like "Hey, hang out with Nico this weekend on the gaming forum!) which flesh them out more than these items can. It's great seeing the NPCs talk to us, it gives me the feeling of Gaia in the way back when. If staff can't do it, I'm sure dedicated members would be willing to play as the NPCs, given a bio and a short list of dos and don'ts, like not suddenly making Ian crush on Natasha or something.

September 8, 2015, 12:26 pm by

Lol I'm going to have to start saying hi in every single Forum Topic!! :) You keep making these cute prizes it makes me want them all!

September 8, 2015, 12:24 pm by

Thanks Amber! :D Gamer nerd NPCs, excellent

September 8, 2015, 12:24 pm by

Awww! !!!! I adore this on so many levels. Beautifully drawn, adorable description. the NPC responses in the news comments... :Heart: X10

September 8, 2015, 12:23 pm by

Manwar and Nico started the EPICon originally! Manwar runs the trading card shop. :)

September 8, 2015, 12:16 pm by

Who is Manwar and how did I miss who this NPC was? Was he in a plot?

September 8, 2015, 12:13 pm by

These are such lovely items, wow

September 8, 2015, 12:02 pm by

Some people have to announce their sexuality or people will try to erase it. Many times, if I compliment a woman or try to flirt with her, people will dismiss it and deliberate twist queer comments into straight ones. It basically goes down like this: "Oh man, her booty is just fantastic. What? No, not in a friendly kinda way. It's my kind of butt. Listen buddy, I said I like her booty, I didn't mean that in a straight way. I'm bi. No dude, I'm bi. I'M BISEXUAL. I WANT TO SNUGGLE HER. Snuggle is not a synonym for shopping. OMG."

So yeah, it'd be nice if even fictional characters didn't have to come out, but they kinda do. The goal here is to make it so normal we erase the closet.

September 8, 2015, 11:19 am by

wowie :^)

September 8, 2015, 11:13 am by

take a drink any time there's more representation on this site and someone complains about this being some Tumblr Sjw Funny businessâ„¢ or something on that vein.

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