I understand what you're saying and that the site is continually changing and of course achievements retire all the time, but what I can't understand is how you guys can just suddenly make a change like this that is upsetting some users including myself without giving a warning. I was about 100 quests away from getting the 500 quests achievement so if you had given 7 days notice and I did all 20 quests, regardless of how much I spent, that's 140 quests and I'm sure there are others that were close like me. Giving us a warning would have encouraged us to do them if we really wanted the achievements and would it be so terrible to increase the number we could do a day for a few days just to try? What I also don't understand is, you guys give us warnings when items retire, when special shops close, etc but you can't give a warning for quests shutting down?
Aw man he gives a LOT of sp though :(
Ooh i feel bad because of all my years here ive never heard of him. Oops.
There were computer geek quests?
Aw fuck. Should done them when I had the chance.
This, basically. If achievements are for 'doing things you would normally do anyway' then they serve no purpose. Also I am PRETTY sure that nobody is just deleting Ethers for the fun of it. There is plenty of stupid and boring shit we do on this site solely for achievements, so if that wasn't your design when you implemented achievements, then you implemented them wrong,
I stopped achievement hunting long ago because of things like this. The frustration is not worth the reward.
I completed 823 Computer Geek quests. I don't really care about achievements that much, but the fact that that number isn't in a multiple of 5 just bugs me.
i bet that if he was revamped most still wouldnt do his quests - its just that now that they cannot do it anymore all of a sudden he gets important ??? i dont get it to be honest
few years ago we had the same drama with the legacy achievements - i missed alot of those too -
if subeta does not make changes and leaves everything like it is - they get complaints that it is "getting boring" to do the same over and over again
if subeta does something new: they get all the complaints that every change is too soon - to quick - not announced
sighs some seem to forget its only some pixels, a virtual world to relax a bit
what if tomorrow the site would just go off line ??? a site can be taken down just as it is !!!! in a finger click
Farewell, Geek Quests. I'll miss your WQ. It's dangerous to go alone, so, here, take a chopstick. On the other and,I need this shirt ç Are these items wineable with ALL questers or only revamped ones ?
Ahahahhahahahahaha wooooooooooow. For the record, some of us only do a small amount to cover over time because it's usually nothing more than a loss and we can't really afford it, as we are working towards many other sp heavy things. So the fact we could work towards it over a longer coarse of time was great. But who really cares, right ?
"If a feature isn't used, we are going to remove it"
What does that mean for the auction house then? Some of us are trying to breathe life into it, but now I'm wondering if you're going to ax it too?
I'm really upset about the fact that I left the achievement at 151 for eternity but otherwise I don't really care :/
[quote] I think the fact that no one here completed his quests enough for the achievements is an easy way to point out that no one did them.[/quote}
I completed all of them, and I'm here, so that statement just isn't correct. I'm really going to be sad to see him go. :(
Flux - You can choose to take it however you want. Very few users were doing these quests, they didn't make sense in the scheme of the quests in general and there was no immediate way to change them that would make sense / still be profitable or useful for users. We removed a feature that very few (< 5% of) active users used, and the achievements were retired with that feature. I'm not being insulting, I'm using the data that we've got available. Unfortunately we can't account for "waiting for quest to be revamped with a feature that was released a few months ago" as a method for determining how popular features are, or where they fit in.
If we'd given a weeks notice, most people wouldn't have been able to get much further in their achievements. The site is going to continue changing, there are going to be achievements that you can't get, etc. I'm not calling you (or anyone) lazy, just saying that the site is going to continue to change. If a feature isn't used, we are going to remove it, regardless of how many people really super wish they'd been able to get an achievement that has been there for years :).
Meh. No big deal, really.
I support you Keith. If these quests/achievements were THAT important, they would have been completed. I'll be first to say I rarely did his quests so it's no skin off my back.
That's what the Bits and Bytes store was for I thought? Why couldn't've you had him ask for items from that shop to make that shop useful for something? Geek could easily have been revamped to ask for items solely from that shop. It's a pretty useless shop otherwise.
To be honest I'm really not surprised or bothered that Geek quests were closed down. There are way too many quests to guarantee there's a USP for each; there's just too much overlap between them imo. And it's not the first time a quest has been closed down either.
Since he's a geek, and has shown that as well, you could have also expanded it so that he asked for collectibles, like cards, stickers, plushies, and beanbags.
Well, many are complaining but I don´t mind. I really didn´t do much of his guest. :3
He gave out good SP sometimes, I did the quests often... Have all the achieves, in fact. But on the other hand I can see why staff thought him redundant. I do think that some warning could have been given.
This is beginning to get insulting. Essentially, you are saying that you closed these quests down because the whole user base is just lazy. People didn;t do the quests beforehand because there were more popular quests that gave better payouts, were new users or simply didn't like questing. But there were obviously people who did like these quests, and there were LOTS of people waiting for the revamp to complete his achievements. Perhaps it should have been mentioned a while ago that there was the possibility of achievements being retired, even if you didn't direct us to which quest it was going to be.
I relatively recently rediscovered that these quests gave out decent loot. Super sad to see him go =(
Byebye little buddy, enjoy retirement.
Yes his quest has been around for year, but there are also close to if not more than 2,000 other achievements on the site people are working for. Just because we haven't gotten all of his achievements yet doesn't mean we don't care to do his quests and get the achievement, it's because we're hustling to try and get as many different achievements as possible before the retire. Some achievements literally take months to get even if a user works every single day to get them so I find the answer of "well you guys don't care about his achievements if you waited this long" unacceptable and invalid.
Then why add achievements to quests, if thats not what its for/about
Geek always gave nice sP rewards out. I don't know how many users knew that, but...if there was ONE quest that had to go it would be Drunk Carl. Geek was just awesome
I'm not sure what I think of all these changes lately. It's a bit too much I think, so maybe you guys can slow down on changes for at least a little while so people can actually get used to them or something :(
So long and farewell, Melman! I look forward to whatever new comes in place.
He could have asked for a computer part and something else, like Cinthia is doing now. If this is the case then I sincerely hope Drills is getting done enough so he won't be scrapped as well.
I am curious if you are trying to drive away the older users & punish the new users that won't get a chance. I would figure you want to expand to improve site not make it more limited
These dramatic changes are kinda getting out of hand...
, this sucks. You want to close quests down, fine. How about giving people really trying to finish the quests a little courtesy? Is that so much to ask? The suggestion of upping the quest limit and giving say a month's warning is a good one. Right now I'm about ready to quit quests entirely. What's the point if you're going to jerk the rug out from us willynilly?
I mean I totally get that achievement-collectors are bummed, but I've seen it stated several times that the subeta team is striving to make this site all about a story/user interaction rather than just a do quest->get achievement->repeat forever kinda site, you know? So while I get why some people are upset I think it's sorta adding to what makes subeta cool, you know??? idkdi idk I'm shutting up now I don't even know what I'm saying //sigh
There are new achievements released like every other day, losing the opportunity to complete a couple on a mega outdated quest is no big deal. Emotions are running awfully high in here.
I've been waiting to do a lot of quests until they were re-vamped (the revamps for the ones that have them have spoiled me), I guess this just won't be one of those!
looking forward to the changes - new things to come
some things i will like others i wont but thats life :)
FLUX - And before the shop links were added a few months ago, what were people waiting for then?
No. Badly handled you guys. So much for warning. :/
Uhh....
And, he was shut down because very few users did his quests daily and we couldn't find a way to revamp him in a way that made sense. If he asked for computer parts they'd inflate because that is a super small pool of items, and it wouldn't have been worth it a week after a revamp. Right now he is asking for the same items that many other quests are asking for, and just didn't make sense in any sense.
I think the fact that no one here completed his quests enough for the achievements is an easy way to point out that no one did them.
Aww, I did his quests every day, it was good sp if you were careful. :c
No :( Fortunately I already have all achievements but...
He was one of my favourite quests! XS I don't always have the time to quest but when I do, I loved doing his quests
Actually, lots of people were waiting for him to be revamped since it's much easier to quest with the shop search links.
Awwww! :(
Wow ok more pressure for quest. Fantastic.
Keith- there was really no reason to shut his quests down. This wasn't like the plot where he dies or something. I, like apparently many others, were just waiting for the quest revamp as the old style was more annoying to complete.
It's not like I did zero of his quests... Idk, this just totally rubs me the wrong way and makes me not trust any of the tiered stuff on site if it can just disappear like that without logic or warning.
Not sure why everyone is asking why, seems pretty obvious that no one did them.. I'm annoyed I didn't do the achievements, but I didn't do them because it was boring.
Never mind the achievements...I don't know why things are being shut down that work just fine XS I don't see this as "going forward" but going backwards XS These are some really poor changes
Man I was waiting for his revamp to work on the achievements again :/ Oh well.. guess I really need to look into the other achievements seriously then!
I wonder how many users bother with Drunk Carl. And, Cinthia is fine now, but before the revamp, she and Carl were the 2 quests I wouldn't touch with a 39 and a half foot pole.