I would be interested to see a way to have the ability to price items in a shop for csc too. Like a wears shop. I guess the downside being that then people would undercut each other etc (although the selling boards already do this).

But there are definite times I cannot monitor my board, respond to everyone, price everything, list it for trades, respond back, etc etc. This might make selling easier.

It's also been talked about before as well but the value comparison of csc to sp prohibits a lot of people from buying cws.

I'm not sure where the re-energizing of the economy would come in. Often it feels like a group of people with hardly anyone new coming in at all. Maybe more of a drive toward recruiting? Custom art is so frickin cool and something so different from neo.

A lot of parts of sub are way better... I think we need to get more people here, fix the clunky junk monster that is the pawn, and re-energize and evaluate.

has something like a half-batch been discussed? having 5 items as opposed to 10 on one batch would be able to inject more variety into the market (though it could also poison it with highly limited items idk) as well as being potentially cheaper to submit and much faster to fill.

or is there an economic reason why something like this cannot be implemented that has been mentioned before and i missed? :c

I'm glad that you liked my idea about the pawn shop. I agree with the others, so I'd leave the selling option available all the year, but not the buying one. ^^

Don't worry at all! It's an issue for everybody! Double checking refs to see if the item is already on site is a real pain. I think that refs can be re-used if there are significant changes from the CW already on site. (:

I think it's a shame about the ref thing too, like if one person makes a CW does that mean nobody else can ever make one similar?? Nobody has time to go through the crazy amounts of CW's already on site to see if there is one similar already made...

and as someone mentioned, if one of those CW's is private and nobody will ever be able to get it, does that mean that we'll never have anything similar, ever? I don't think that's fair :c

If something is similar but obviously not copied, I imagine people would still think it's too similar.. but I would be ok with that. ^^ Especially if it's an old CW that hasn't been around for a while, why not make a new version?

I did this when I gifted a design to Hell, they were after this bandage thingy that I see on everybodies wishlist, but they couldn't buy it.. I gifted them a design for a similar CW and I saw people mentioning like "is that allowed? it's basically the same thing?" but it's not like bandages around your chest is very specific.. like... how many changes can you possibly make to a bandage without it not looking like a bandage anymore? I don't think they look too similar, but like I mentioned, there's not much you can do.. it's a freaking BANDAGE THING.. XD Ofc they're the same thing, but then you can say.. well the amount of tights that are on site that are basically the same thing? or heels? there's only so many changes you can do before you're not even drawing heels anymore.

Just because one person has their version, shouldn't mean that nobody else can ever make something similar, make their own take on it. :c

I try to make as many unique CW's as I can but sometimes you just can't help making something somebody else made before you. Especially when you're pretty new, I've never even seen over half the CW's on-site... so how am I supposed to avoid making anything similar to them?

I would love that so much!! ;-;

I agree with a lot of what has been said here, especially regarding half-batches and the pawn shop.

I'm going to start with why I think half batches are a good idea. As we all know, it's getting really hard to fill a first batch. Not only would a half batch allow the item to be on site, but as people are wearing it, people who stalk the New CW Release thread see it, there will be more people who have interest after seeing it incorporated into different HAs etc. Thus, making it easier to fill a second half batch or a second batch in general. I find a lot of the time I miss threads where people are taking slots for things and it'll pop up in the new CW thread and I'm super interested in it.

With regards to the pawn shop, I definitely agree with keeping it around all year to sell to, but not buy from. If someone was able to sort the items (a lot of work, so I'm not sure how realistic this would be) into summer type items, fall type items, etc. and release those for sale around different site events, I think that would be really fun.

Another idea I had about the pawn shop, is restock it Subeautique style-ish. Every day a certain number (let's say 3) of pawned CWs become available for purchase. I feel like this would encourage a clear out because people would be checking in often to check for WL items popping up and could see something else there that they like. I personally would feel more inclined to buy something if I liked it, the choice was limited, I knew there were thousands of other users and only x amount of CWs that day, and that depending on the rotation I knew i wouldn't see it again for a long time.

I just kind of jumbled this all out, and I'm not even sure it makes sense haha but I hope it does.

i like the idea of removing the buying part, keeping the selling part of the pawn shop - but we need to have easier methods to sell.

I know it was suggested by someone else to have user-priced shops. This would definitely make it easier for people to sell their cws rather than r200 threads which are clogged nearly 24/7. I know that I never bother to check unless im seeking something specific, exactly because it's too tedious. Being able to put cws into our shops but priced in csc would very likely deter people from upfront pawning items rather than trying to sell them!

I'd really, realllyyyyyy love new cw contests. Or maybe an official cw shop? Kind of like the millionaire center (so rotated every 3 months, that sounds fair!) but for which users can submit their art. Having an official subthread for it would encourage more people to dive into cws. The past contests were more towards existing artists and didn't offer much support to the new ones.

(ps i updated my first post with a recap of what has been suggested, if this helps!)

mentoring doesn't always mean collaborating! I was thinking more of a way to consistently go to someone for tips and pointers rather than posting on the forums. Although I think collaborations would be great too!

I, personally, would love the ability to remove something from your CW shoppe after a certain amount of time since the last copy has sold. When I have multiple batches left on an item, I tend to avoid adding it to my CW shoppe because it tends to lower the price of items on the resell market (and I'd like people to be able to make up the difference/most of the cost that they paid). When items are in CW shoppes, they also tend to get pawned a lot more easily than those that manage to fill batches in the forums.

this doesn't make much sense to be at the moment, may edit later.

I really like the idea of being able to user price shops in CSC as well - it just poses a problem if people go and buy out a popular item just to turn it around and sell it for higher than slot price. Not sure how we could control for that or if that happens already to some degree?

Also the official CW contests / shops sound lovely. The poor admins would just need to have more work I suppose XD -sends cookies and hugs-

Also, did you read my mind?? @ ____ @ I was going to post something in response to your point on mentoring but decided not to since it was a repeat of what Beckyyy had said LOL Your ping got me really confused on whether or not I actually did respond and I had to go up and check >> <3

-edit- OMG I'm sorry for accidentally pinging someone with that "at" face <3 Hope you have a lovely day and sorry for clogging your events XD

this is already happening - i see loads of people buying cheaper items and then reselling them later on. It happens with sp items as well, it's not something that is easy to control.

However the fact that anyone can easily add their items to their shop, would mean that it is harder for others to hoard all the copies and jack up the prices. They likely wouldn't have enough csc to gamble onto copies when so many are easily accessible through a user's shop!

I feel that the official CW contests/shops would indeed mean more work, but it could also provide the push to get the wheel turning as well. It's a balance between what you give and what you receive. On a much smaller scale this is how I've been working since I started on here - doing events and giveaways in which I receive nothing, offering free stuff, but also getting the support of people which has kept me going and been beneficial in the end!

Right right ~ It would be pretty impossible to control. Honestly I'd rather see that than having stuff lying around in the pawn and being unable to sell through the official CW shops.

You're right! I didn't think of it that way. The natural competition would probably avoid most of the problem except in the most extreme cases.

Indeed! I think that since both sides (the site + artists) are invested in reviving the CW market, all of us need to work together to make sure we can all survive. The official contests would also expose more people to the CW market, since not everyone spends time in the forums or in the CW section of the site. It could spur some people to buy some extra CSC for particular pieces they may have never seen otherwise.

id be more worried of half batches personally - that would be an open door to hoarding and more private items. If it costs less to submit an item you only wanted a few copies of, I can see more items being harder/impossible to find.

The key to an official cw shop/contest is to offer a subthread and a lot of room for partnership.

I'm not going to lie, I think every single time we've had a contest I had 2 items in (i believe I was the only one) - and people were never happy about it QQ

Part of it is that there was no support for new artists, and the art they submitted was often not up to cw standards (which isn't to say that it wasnt good! Some of the art was beautiful, but too soft for the cellshading standard cws have). We need a place for new artists to feel comfortable posting and asking around. Past contests were pretty much done for existing cw artists if you ask me - most of the items that won were made by known users.

"We need a place for new artists to feel comfortable posting and asking around."

This. 100% this. I feel like new artists a) don't know where to start (which is mostly solved by the lovely Q&A thread you have and the official FAQ!) and b) are scared of showing their art out of fear of criticism or rejection.

I remember wayyy back I had tried my hand at drawing a simple sweater up and I felt like I was ripped up in the forums - looking back, they DEFINITELY did not have ill-intentions, I was just sensitive to how my first step into the scene was received. It stopped me from trying anything else for a long time.

Honestly, I don't really know how to address the problem even though I went through it not too long ago myself. We all want to feel wanted haha. I think the mentorship thing would be helpful for sure - but perhaps instead offer a pool of "mentors" that new artists can feel free to reach out to. Maybe even on a rotating basis so everyone doesn't get exhausted and questions are answered thoroughly?

that was the goal of the CW denial/help thread - for people to ask openly and to have any passing artist help. I don't know if the mentoring would really offer much more than this thread, except maybe a more friendly/comfortable environment ;o

I'm thinking more of a cw trading design, or cw collabs! I've been racking my brains this morning on how to formulate this idea and translate it into words. I'm just unsure of how it should be built.

As far as 'a place for new artists to feel comfortable posting and asking around', im not too sure either tbh! I have been told many times that I am intimidating, but I'm always happy to help people (when I dont derp around and forget because im a turtle). I'm not sure how we can make cws accessible when many users see them as the elite thing.

Yea, it would overlap with the thread a lot - but I think newer artists would appreciate not having to post publicly on a forum and instead reach out via message / comment for feedback? I dunno. I don't know how many would really use it either since that sounds pretty intimidating too haha

An adorable turtle! :3 I think you and a lot of the established artists can be intimidating just from your respective experience. Probably just more of the fear of rejection/disapproval from an artist you admire? I don't know if I'm even making sense.

As for the CW design trading, maybe like a monthly participating pool? And then randomly assign the designs to those who participated? I feel like one-on-one trading through the overall thread would just end up with certain artists always trading with one another - which could certainly happen outside the thread too, but personally I'd love to get a surprise design! (perhaps based around a theme / item of clothing?) Just throwing ideas out there, I'd love to see what everyone else thinks too!

I'm sure that messaging / commenting for feedback feels better than posting publicly, that's a good point!

I totally know what you mean - i feel the same about some people too actually lol I only speak for myself, but I'd say that nearly everyone I have contacted has been super friendly though. It hasn't always lead to lengthy conversations or friendship but ive rarely been brushed off. I just think the community looks harsher and meaner than it really is ;;

I like the idea of the monthly participating pool! I need to write down the requirements and all but it doesn't sound like a thread particularly hard to maintain, I could set that up later n_n

would it possible to be able to price cash shop items or custom wearable items for CSC in your shop, but not regular items?

because then people that spent csc could get some csc back for those items, whereas normal items you spend sp you get sp back

I don't know if that's logical or if it would work (I know nothing about coding or.. whatever it is)

but that would be great XD if it was possible

Ohhh.. yeah, give people the option of CSC they probably won't price for sP very often anymore, I didn't think of that...

I love being able to buy them with sP too. D: that's out of the question then

In that case, maybe an option to sell back to site for a percentage of the CSC we paid? coming up with ideas that won't have down-sides is HARD XD

So kind of like a refund option but not for the full price and you don't have to send in a ticket or anything.

yet I don't know if that would be possible or how easy it would be to actually code to be on site... and maybe there's downsides to that, too. Who knows ;-;