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Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Yes, there is a pet cult and there are plenty of people who don't at all want to win the Spotlight.

However its still ridiculous how its being ignored over and over again. Its very disheartening, even if you don't care about the Spotlight, because it sure feels like staff don't care about Pet peoples' concerns at all. I don't care about the Spotlight but maybe the next Pet feature to be downgraded will be my favorite. I'd rather speak up now.

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Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Chelsea

Thank's.

I look at one of your pets which is nominated and I read this about why it will not win the pet spotlight:

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Oh No! Pets with blank or small descriptions cannot be nominated!
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Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Like I said, I do not care about the Spotlight. My pets are not enabled for people to nominate them on purpose. I do not want to win it.

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Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Chelsea

Yes you have said that indeed.

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Its still ridiculous how its being ignored over and over again. Its very disheartening, even if you don&;t care about the Spotlight, because it sure feels like staff don&;t care about Pet peoples&; concerns at all.
If you're right about this, is it not logical that users will in turn also not care about where the staff itself may or may not care about? I mean, does it matter whether a staff member cares for you if other users already appreciate some of your pets and work?

I'm glad for the person in question if it wins the pet spotlight, but to be emotionally dependent on whether the staff may have any personal interest in a user or not, seems to me pointless. Nice if this is the case, but if a user makes him/herself emotionally dependent on his? ... No, not a good idea, I think.

Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Yellowstone

If staff don't care about Pet peoples' concerns when it comes to the Spotlight, why would we think they'd care about our concerns with other things? If they change Treasures there's no precedent that would make me think our concerns would be listened to. That is what's worrying for me.

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Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Calling it "emotional dependency" is a little ridiculous. It's more like actually wanting to take part in a system that recognizes the hours upon hours of work and love people pour into their pets. We want that system to work instead of it being neglected more and more.

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Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Chelsea

I understand there are users who are worried about the communication with the staff. That's also an issue in other topic's.

I have read the staff could help a user more if the user send a question with a specific concern, worry or opinion. But an opinion is not the best way. It will be more helpful to ask for more info about some subject or case. My experience is that the staff often better to provide me with a good answer when I formulate my question as concrete and precise as possible.

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It&;s more like actually wanting to take part in a system that recognizes the hours upon hours of work and love people pour into their pets. We want that system to work instead of it being neglected more and more.
I'm not sure if this is the case. It may also be that the staff just takes extra more time to make a choice and meet with each other because for example, one staff member knows more about a character from a reference to an unknown game and other staff members may have never heart about such a reference at all. So it is not always easy to directly estimate how far a pet page can get the nomination. That is perhaps not indifference.

Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Yellowstone

That too... Subeta is supposedly a pet site. Of course people who like pets would want to do the things they're supposed to be able to with them. Battling, treasures, spotlight, feeding/playing, minions, they should all work and actually be doable.

I really don't know what you're trying to say. Staff are ignoring us and our concerns about the Spotlight. What else are we seriously supposed to do?

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Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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I really don&;t know what you&;re trying to say. Staff are ignoring us and our concerns about the Spotlight.
That's precisely where I'm not sure about.

I try to denominate other reasons and examples why I doubt if the staff really as indifferent as they seem to many users.

Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Yellowstone

If staff won't comment then it sure looks like they're entirely ignoring us and the issues with the Spotlight. We can't read their minds or know if any work is being done in the background. They have to communicate if they don't want us to feel ignored.

You have every right to think they're working on it and I have ever right to think they aren't. There's no actual proof either way.

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Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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As you can see in this thread, staff refuses to inform us about if and what they are doing in the background. Statement was: We will inform you, when we have done something. To me it means, we have not heard any updates, means there was no work done yet. And of course there is masquerade soon, there are events all over the year, tho it is no apologize for ingoring the concerns of the users. My advice: before throwing more revamps and colors at users, fix the current issues, please. The revamps and new colors are adorable, but useless if more and more ppl get fed up with the whole pet issue.

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Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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I try to denominate other reasons and examples why I doubt if the staff really as indifferent as they seem to many users.

If players think staff 'seems indifferent' to the issues that bother us, that's a problem that staff should try to correct.. it's not an issue that other players should try to fix by defending staff's lack of action and communication.

You must keep in mind that originally posted asking for feedback on what players would like to see changed back on0 5/4/15. That's getting mighty close to a full year of nothing but talk, and absolutely zero action.... I think for many of us, myself included, this is now at the "actions speak louder than words and we want some action already!!!" point.

Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Just because I don't take part in the pet spotlight RIGHT NOW doesn't mean I don't want to take part in the spotlight if it's improved.

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My advice: before throwing more revamps and colors at users, fix the current issues, please. The revamps and new colors are adorable, but useless if more and more people get fed up with the whole pet issue.

Releasing no pets will not fix the pet spotlight issue. Releasing a pet takes like 10 minutes, because a lot of pets are already ready for release. Staff just want to space out releases, to not make them overwhelming.

Not releasing pets or revamps is not a real solution for the pet spotlight problems.

But really, I feel like staff just doesn't care about the pet spotlight, and that's terrible. Seriously, the spotlight should have been revamped YEARS ago, it's been a year since we were told it would change and...well.

It didn't change. What is taking so long, it's something that should have taken at most a few weeks of discussion and plop

Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Pet Spotlight is a topic that has been on the back burner. Since it is technically working but not a capacity and level that pet people would like it isn't getting much thought. Now if the script for the winner broke then something would be done about it and perhaps then staff would go about to implement the stuff we have been asking for.


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Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Chelsea

First of all this is a public forum. Then it can happen that someone has his/her own opinion. (like me). I let myself really not silenced because someone disagrees with me. If you are disagree you can discuss this with me with arguments, not with to say to me what I don't may and what I must. Sorry that's for me not a convincing argument. I'm not going to take sides. Neither for the staff neither for you or somebody else.

I doubt whether the staff is indifferent. I believe this feels so for many and I'm sure it could be good if the staff will take this feelings by many users seriously, rightly or wrongly.

I also want to believe that the staff made errors which have not yet all cleared up and resolved. What I absolutely do not believe is the approach and the way to address the staff, that you call. I want nothing justify of what the staff still can do better, I'm just super skeptical about the approach at this moment.

And why I interfere with this is because I am very worried that this approach towards the staff get a reversed effect. I think it will be very very unfortunate if there arise a gap between the staff and users. (I have had bad experiences with this on other sites).

Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Hyacinthe

Validating staff in their mistakes is more likely to cause a gap between users and staff than telling them what is wrong, and what we'd like to see fixed.

Having no developments for the pet spotlight revamp for a year, is indeed a mistake.

Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Chelsea

Sorry if I gave some users the feeling I validating the mistakes from the staff. That's not what I try. I'm trying to see the situation from more sides. I am particularly skeptical about the tone, I realize.

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Having no developments for the pet spotlight revamp for a year, is indeed a mistake.
I agree with that. I think that is indeed something that can be improved.

Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Not saying that releasing no further colors/revamps would solve the spotlight issue, but the time spent on thinking about colors and revamps would be nice to be spent on the spotlight issue to move it forwards at least 1 inch.

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Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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First of all this is a public forum. Then it can happen that someone has his/her own opinion. (like me). I let myself really not silenced because someone disagrees with me. If you are disagree you can discuss this with me with arguments, not with to say to me what I don&;t may and what I must. Sorry that&;s for me not a convincing argument.
I never said it wasn't. But the fact remains that you (or me, or any player for that matter) saying stuff isn't going to have the same impact as staff DOING stuff.

Mar 15, 2016 10 years ago
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Chelsea

That could be possible, but on the other side the staff and users are dependent to each other how some cases and situations will develop on the site. I suppose the staff has got for a big part influence but not for 100%.

I believe also that the staff on Subeta will be wise to leave at least once a week to know how it stands for some issues who are for a long time still not solved. There it will very much appreciated. That could ascertain everyone.

Maybe a new poll at the poll center which has got the first priority to fix some technical problems will be useful, I suppose.

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