Thank you so much! I guess the million denials made me panic a bit. You're right; wigs are hard, especially to get to match a certain style. I'll work on that today after I get home from work and see how that goes.

But seriously, you went above and beyond in giving me a hand, and I truly appreciate it. :)

No worries, I really hope it helped! It was just quickly thrown together, but hopefully it conveyed the concepts I was trying to get across. Keep at it, you'll get there! :)

Okay, so I gave this another shot. I didn't totally throw out the redo since there was some definition in there, though. I applied the definition layer from that at a much lower opacity, then did the soft light you mentioned and followed up with some strands and defined anything that looked like it needed it.

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Do you think this looks okay (honest opinion)?

Defnite improvement! There's a lot more depth now, I think you're just about there in my humble opinion. ^__^ My one suggstion would be to extend your black lineart inward in a few spots, to get rid of that pesky sticker effect.

I've marked some likely places where you could taper the black lineart in. Usually, black or very dark lineart should be visible in either the very darkest ares, or to define shapes like the bangs. Zooming in, I can see the black does come into the colored area just a bit (like along the side of the bangs), but it should be a bit more obvious in a few places.

Yeah, you can probably tell that my art style is lineless... but this is a whole new learning experience for me, which is kind of awesome. I know you've got a ton on your plate, so I really appreciate you taking the time out to help me. About how many CWs would you say it took before you really "got it down"?

Drawing to subeta style standards is definitely challenging if your art style is drastically different. But it's a nice way to keep pushing yourself to try something outside your comfort zone! ^^ Honestly, I have been doing CWs on and off since 2013??? And I still get denials sometimes, but I guess you could say I've pretty much got CWs down pat now. I completely changed my system of drawing CWs last year, to make recolors easier/faster for me, too. So, even though I'm comfortable drawing them (except wigs and tiny things...LOL, always my enemy), I'm still trying new methods and changing things up.

Unfortunately it was rejected again. :( I feel so stuck.

Username --- Link to the overlay(s) --- old (from previous rejection) current rejected overlay Link to the CI --- CI is fine

What do you need help with --- I guess I'm just totally not understanding what they mean by pillow shading. I thought pillow shading meant not having a grasp of light and shadow, so you're just sticking the light in the middle and shadow around the edges. I'm using darker shades where light wouldn't reach as well, but due to ambient light, I really don't want to put the shadows in, well, total shadow. And since this was a commissioned work, I can't totally redo the style. :(

I understand that I'm no by any means, but I was initially going for more of that kind of style than say, or , since it's closer to my painting technique.

I wish I could just reply to the rejection and ask, because with some clarification I'm sure I could fix this. But I can't. :( Does anyone know exactly what the rejection is referring to?

Was there a denial --- • OVERLAY: Issues from previous denial were not sufficiently addressed • OVERLAY: Artwork does not match Subeta style, quality, or level of detail in general • NOTE: This still really isn't Subeta or site style; it's suffering from a lot of pillow shading and sticker effect. It has almost a gelatinous look to it rather than hair.

Optional Can we take a look at the PSD files --- No, they're a mess due to trying to fix it Can we redline --- Yes, please

I'm really tired and in a lot of pain, so what I'm saying may not make a ton of sense and for that I'm sorry.

First, I'm not sure what 'Pillow' shading means to Jessi at this point, so I can't comment on that. Your idea of what it is, is totally what it means, but I don't think your item suffers from this at all.

Regarding the sticker effect though, this is caused by a serious lack of contrasting details. Everything is kind of all around the same hue and looks really soft generally speaking, which is why I think the denial is saying it doesn't look like hair.

So here is what I would personally do (and of course, not what you NEED to do, but this may give you inspiration, I understand our styles are different and this may not be what you like) 1: Your original 2. I added in some solid black lines to really define some of the areas 3. I added a dark pink on multiply to add some 'hair strand' like details. You could also lower the opacity on this, but I kept them stark so you could see them stand out and know what I was doing, and also because I think it looks nice and I like those kinds of details.

Anyways, I know this kind of pushes your style a bit away from the painter type style you had, but I really think that adding some kind of detail (or higher contrast detail so it's a smidge less soft) would really help. I can't personally comment on how other artists do their work and / or give you pointers to mimic or recreate anyone's style, IF that's what you're interested in, I suggest contacting those artists to see if they are willing to offer tips!

GL btw :) this is a very fun and playful wig.

I am so sorry you're in pain! :( But thank you so much for giving me a hand. The reason I mentioned specific artists was just because when first painting this wig, I was studying what existed on site to give me an idea what was okay and what wasn't. The different art styles are truly all over the place, so it was kind of overwhelming to figure out. I'm not truly trying to copy anyone. :)

Thank you so much, and I will definitely give that a try. Hopefully the releaser and I can find something we're okay with that will be approved. I feel so bad; this was commissioned back in May and due to the upcoming wedding I don't have a whole lot of time to fix it. >.>

TBH it's not a good idea to look at other CWs for examples of what is allowed and what's not allowed. There are some things I ALWAYS get denied for, that other artists are allowed to do, and vice versa, there are some things I CAN do that other artists get denials for.

It takes a bit of time to figure out your own personal style and how it fits into Subeta. I'm sorry it's a stressful process :C hugs

Yeah, that's true. Thankies for the hugs; I totally need it. As a new CW artist, I'm probably under closer scrutiny, to be sure I don't start trying to flood the site with inferior items. At least, that would make sense to me if I were the one in charge of approvals.

I think after this item is finally onsite, I'm going to push first batches through myself before slotting. Once I can reliably get things approved, I'll be able to change that. I hate inconveniencing people, so even though it's expensive to do it that way it's not too much of a loss. I just hope I get there at some point! crosses fingers I'm super worried that at the end of the day, my style just may not match.

Sorry to just randomly drag you into this discussion about CW art. >.>

It's honestly okay :) I love seeing people stick with it and join the community! You're always free to smail me if you need anything, even if it's just to chat or rant. I know when I first started I needed places to vent while I figured stuff out too. I definitely think your art is A+ so I think you'll fit in well here once you find a rhythm n_n

When creating a CI, do you go through the same process as the overlay? As in, sketch, lineart, then 3-5 layers of shade, then move to PS and adjust a single layer of color? Or do you hand color each individual layers of shade?

I did this doing individual hand color layers then ran into the problem of needing to recolor it. I'm just wondering if I'm making it more difficult on myself or what the proper process is.

I think this is kind of an individual preference. For me personally, I lock each layer and recolor each layer by hand. It takes longer for sure, but it's the best way I've personally found to make sure each recolor comes out the exact color I'm looking for-- this is mainly because I don't use Photoshop, I use Sai. You may need to ping another artist who does use Photoshop (I'm not sure who does at this point and is still in the community unfortunately) to get tips and tricks from them!

I use SAI as well, but do actual color adjustments on PS.

But thanks for your input! I'll be more conscience about my layers next time to make it easier to recolor.

Also idk if this helps but if you do want to recolor the layers individually, I recommend slowly building up a 'palette' you keep for colors you use frequently so you're not constantly color picking. It saves an INSANE amount of time, I promise. LOL

Username --- Link to the overlay(s) --- Female Male Link to the CI --- click click

What do you need help with --- Juuust about everything, I'm not sure where to go with the feedback. While I knew it would be denied, I'm not sure how or where to fix it specifically. For the overlay, does it need more shade layers? For the male I have already added some lines to the HA right arm inner elbow bend area. For the CI, I tried to make a pretty indistinguishable cat as to not copy other artists. I'm not sure if I just need to start over from scratch?

Was there a denial --- Your custom clothing Playful Bundled Fall Cardigan was denied for the following reason(s): • ITEM and OVERLAY: Artwork does not match Subeta style, quality, or level of detail in general • ITEM and OVERLAY: Shaky, rough, or inconsistent lineart • ITEM and OVERLAY: Blunt/untapered lineart • ITEM: Thick or heavy lineart • ITEM: Sticker effect: flatness due to black lineart around the edges and colored or missing lineart inside • ITEM and OVERLAY: Blotchy shading • ITEM: Ambiguous shading/light source unclear • ITEM and OVERLAY: Wrong pricing category selected for the submission • NOTE: This needs to be in the "all base edits" pricing category • NOTE: Both the item and overlay need a lot of work to be brought up to site standards. The list of individual things included in this denial should be a good starting point for you. The item especially needs work with the cat in the item, which doesn't really match site style or quality. The best thing to do is to seek out help from experienced CW submitters that can give you a lot of in-depth critique.

Optional Can we take a look at the PSD files --- yes, shoot me a message and I can send it Can we redline --- yes, please do

I don't have time to do a full redline right now, but maybe this will get you started!

Artwork does not match Subeta style, quality, or level of detail in general: Shading is plain, and the lineart needs work, but honestly, I think you're not too far from a finished (and cute!) sweater here. Try adding a deeper, and perhaps softer (your current shading is very stark/hard) to the very darkest areas of the sweater (indicatd in green). a Purple shade, possibly on a multiply layer (play with the opacity), is usually a good choice for shading. Subeta staff like it when you don't just use 3 shades of orange to shade, but add in a little depth with another color, like purple.

Shaky, rough, or inconsistent lineart: AND Blunt/untapered lineart: Your inner lineart (marked with blue), is very dark, thick, and pixellated compared to the outer lineart. Definitely redraw using a softer brush, and make sure the edges are tapered to give a more delicate appearance. I understand wanting to use black to prevent a sticker effect on the sweater, but experiment with using a dark color closer to the shade of the sweater itself, like dark brown or dark red, for interior lineart. Add true black sparingly.

Blotchy shading Your shading, as I said above, has very hard edges. I wouldn't necessarily say this looks blotchy to me on the overlay, but I do think you need to look at some fabric refs to see how light actually hits the folds/edges of a shirt. Right now, especially on the CI, the lines of shading are very flat/perfect and don't necessarily follow the flow of the fabric.

As for the CI.......

This one is such a cute concept, but I think you should start from scratch! It will be difficult getting this up to site standards, I think. I would suggest hunting for a good ref with a kitty and fabric of some kind, that you can convert into a CI. (always make sure you show staff your reference photos when you submit, btw!). I think the tiny paws are negatively contributing to the look of the CI because the CI is so tiny, the details get all mushed - so keep in mind what level of detail you'll be able to feasibly get into a canvas that small. I personally recommend only drawing a CI about twice as large as the end result, so that you can't accidentally draw too much detail on the canvas, but some people work much larger so what do I know? hahahhaa

I hope this helps! And hopefully someone can give you some more detailed advice if you need it! :)

How to resize item to 64x64 without any programs at the same time without losing the image quailty?

Here is my resized image, the quailty is visibily damaged to the extend that you can not see what’s on the box.

And here is the larger image, if it helps xD

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I cannot see either of your images and I've never needed to resize without an art program but I'm going to take a really wild shot in the dark and hope it helps? Is it possible for you to resize it as a png and then turn it into a gif, rather than resizing it as a gif? Also can you tell us how you're resizing if not with a program? (such as what website if you're using a website, so we can test the site ourselves?)