I'm less worried about this changing as a booster and more concerned about the price getting upped because this is needed for 9 Genetech combos.

So as is, that's already 27mil for the set (at old MC price). How much is the price increasing? c_c

I'm all for decreasing the stat gains from boosters. make tomes 1-2 instead of 1-3, cut everything by 33-50%. But for the love of all that is holy make xp from challenger wins after 10 a viable way to gain stats. Then people can put in time on a subeta that is otherwise hardly directly rewarding for time spent playing.

[edit] let's not forget how ridiculous INT boosting is right now either and that it can't be bought with xp :)

I disagree on nerfing stats from boosters. Controlling the supply of mage amulets is a better way. Prevention (controlled supply) is better than a poorly executed cure (nerfing). They already reduced Shinwa to one item a day. I don't think it's necessary to nerf boosters on top of that.

I do support better exp payout after 10 wins though. It doesn't make sense to spend more than an hour battling just to scrape enough exp for a single stat, especially for tier 10 pets and above.

Back then about the Potion of Loyalty, I remembered Ryan saying that something will happen to the boosters shortly. Nothing specific until the nerfing happened to only the potion and Shinwa's sealed scroll, and a bunch of stat changes to many others. The explanation for nerfing was that it's giving out too many stats (and not quoting Keith initially). So there was some heads up to the BAs, but barely any hints got passed to the battlers.

Fortunately, there was much better warning this time, although the timeframe could be more precise than "the coming weeks."

You either increase the price, or you nerf the item. You don't do both.

Nerf the item. Have Quentin give 5 amulets a day again. Let's go.

I generally agree that boosters shouldn't be nerfed right after supply has been cut quite a bit, though since the Scale of the Red Rreign would've been in constant supply with the MC changes I think that one really did need to be adjusted (plus it does kinda make the CS boosters moot, which isn't good for the site in the grand scheme). Should other boosters outside of the red rreign scale be nerfed for any reason though, the one thing I would like to ask is that we please be given advance warning. For those of us with hoards of stat boosters, it's nice to have the opportunity to use them and get the stats we always planned on receiving. I've been saving boosters for the better part of two years waiting to get to a high enough level to make them worth using, and the temptation to use them all has definitely been there. To avoid using them for all this time just to have them all nerfed without notice would be really frustrating.

I personally would like the price to be raised better because SP SINK

One time thing, or is this a new policy? If it's the latter you're essentially saying battling should never be profitable and I'm not willing to follow you down that road.

Ryan wasn't even on staff when potion of loyalty was released and then changed...

Speaking as someone who is not a top of the road battler, and who DOES boost, I'm in two minds on this one. It makes sense to me to alter it given the changes in the MC (being able to buy one every hour as opposed to one a day was inevitably going to acquire adjustments), but I'm not sure about the general view that boosters should be universally nerfed, or raised in price, or that boosting should be harder etc. When I started battling, I was initially really put off by the fact that it felt impossible to ever "run with the big dogs" as it were - and this was 6 years ago, so it wasn't even as if people had 9 years up on me back then. I'm not saying that it should be EASY to catch up - gawd no. That makes no sense and punishes the people who have put in years of work. But it's a delicate balance because if it's too hard, you won't attract new people either, and I know that's something subeta is trying to do. Speaking as one of those people who was initially put off battling, boosters were a part of what caught my attention in it again. Boosting is never going to be longterm viable as a training stat unless you're rolling in it, and I'm never going to be a user who is rolling in it. I can't pretend, however, that it hasn't made a big difference to my motivation and interest levels to be able to drop 10mill every few weeks/months on amulets and turn in tomes for a quick boost to feel just that tiny bit closer to goals that seem very far away. This, combined with battle quests, has actually made me so much more motivated to try to get involved. The system intimidated the hell out of me initially, but these tweaks have made it feel like you can achieve goals faster than a snail's pace even if you're not among the richest users around. At the same time, I have A LOT of respect for the people who have toughed it out and reached the top without those boosters, BQs etc. Like I said, it's a tricky balance between trying to be fair to those people and trying to attract new blood. And I agree with the idea that battling should ultimately be profitable, as Gray suggested.

I guess it comes down to what subeta actually wants stat boosters to achieve. Are they meant to be an sp sink available to the richest users? Or are they meant to help encourage users to try battling because it gives them a bit of a boost and helps them feel like they're making quicker progress? Because frankly at the moment I'm not really sure which it is, so I'm left feeling a bit in limbo about how to feel about the changes.

Yes he was. Well he was when it was changed. I'll never forget the day he fucked with my hoard of 100+ PoLs.

You're a mean one, Mister Purge You're really a heel You're as cuddly as a Priggle You're as charming as zombie measles Mr Purge You're a rotten Oofa fruit with nasty peel

I was not meaning You ( You and Aaron have been the best BAs in the past 6-7 years that we have had ), but there was another BA that did, which I wont name, cause I think that would be considering targeting. and my mouth gets me enough trouble. :/

and YES! on sP sink. ;)[edit] Also, if they dont want Battlers "in control", then create a Scale of Red Rrreign(tortured/tormented or whatever makes sense - maybe even [ Scale of Red Rreign { Nerfed } :P ]) as the stat boosters and changed the

to just for the Genetech uses. :)

Kinda like the Trident/Blessed Trident of the Banished One.

If this makes sense at all.

Potion of Loyalty was stated by Keith and released as part of emails to users to lure them back to Subeta. That was during the Survival plot with the Pylots. Before the event was over, its stats were nerfed by Keith. I remember because I got hate mail for it even though I had nothing to do with it. Ryan wasn't hired until after that by...a couple months I think.

Was that before or after Ryan boosted his pet from to then nerfed the Shinwa's boosters?

Back to 2015 - Considering there aren't really any massive Scale hoards right now, it is the best time to make a change if it has to be done. You can very well raise the price and nerf the item at the same time since these two actions lead to the same result : the cost of stats increases.

PS: Making something more expensive doesn't make it a better sP sink. If no one buys boosters for 400k from shops, what makes you think they'll buy them more from the MC for 4 million ? It'll be the same people buying them if there's a good price-to-stat ratio. The same people that already have hundreds of tomes and other boosters to use first.

Are there any plans of drawing interest to newer players to battling? New battlers become interested during plots or wars, then they die out because battling is already pretty expensive and it is in no way profitable. If there was a way to sustain their interest, more people would buy boosters, lowering the supply and increasing the price.

I popped into this thread because I was confused about what the Scale of Red Rreign actually was. As a person who is typically attracted to restocking/HA creation here on Subeta, I want to chime in with my two cents. In no way is my experience completely indicative of what everyone else feels, but here goes nothing:

Battling seems super complicated to me and I don't know if I have the time/sP to sustain it. If I have 1 hour on Subeta, I'm more interested in questing and restocking. From what I've seen of it, it seems extremely hard for a newbie to get into. There are all the different Tiers that you need to buy weapons for, CS challengers, types of weapons, healing, scrolls, AP, IP (is that an acronym)? I'm just not that interested in battling right now, and it seems like something that requires a huge investment in both time and money.

Anyways... I know that the loot that battle loot offers can be quite tantalizing to people who like to collect if they don't want to buy that item themselves, but it also costs quite a lot to get to that point. During plots and wars, I rarely ever battle - only if required, actually. I told myself I'd autotrain one of my pets to get her at a better level so she could actually fight, but I'm confused as to where I should distribute the stats, and I just didn't have an interest in it.

So basically: I think that battling is confusing and overwhelming to newer battlers, and just isn't interesting to some of us.

(Perhaps this should go into a different Site Feedback thread? I'm not sure if I'm the best to voice my opinion.)