That doesn't really explain why the wardrobe has been stuck in development hell for over a year. Were the server issues really such a big issue that they've taken months to work out?

Again, I know there have been other projects to work on, but I don't understand why any of them would have taken that much focus away from the wardrobe.

While on the topic of minor issues not getting attention, why do we have some mini mods that are incredibly inactive? One mini mod is the only mod in their forums, they have been inactive for over a month. Another mini mod is a co mod of a forum, they have been MIA for over 7 months. Thankfully their comod is very active. These are two mini mods I know of, and the only two forums I really checked, there may be others. Having staff that is that inactive just gives a bad image to the site. I also would really love to be a mini mod, I think it would be fun. But I have to wait to apply until staff is hiring again, and who knows when that is. Mini mods aren't paid, so why go on with inactive staff?

Taking responsibility is great, but actions say a lot more than words. I don't think any players really care who is to blame for how long things are taking and the lack of focus on things that SHOULD be a priority. We just want to see things change.

It really doesn't matter if people enjoyed it, it's a feature that should have been left on the backburner until the existing projects were done. There is no way to spin this to make it seem like that was a feature that needed programmer time and energy spent on it, when the forums and wardrobe are still in their current state.

Pretty much my exact thoughts the moment when minion battling was revealed. 😔 It just didn't seem the least bit necessary with all the other problems around here. I'm glad that other people enjoyed minion battling. Good for them. Meanwhile I'll just be over here sitting on two half broken wardrobes, a slow forum, and a completely asinine achievements page. o/

Exactly this. Saying that some people enjoyed it completely misses the point: It was prioritized over other long-standing issues, and then seemingly abandoned. We haven't heard anything more about it since its initial announcement nearly six weeks ago.

Priorities and follow-through are the two big issues to take away from this thread.

This is a good thread and should feel good about it

I can't wait until the wardrobe gets properly finished off because it's stupidly complicated to make outfits now -- the regular wardrobe is missing features (shared outfits, filtering CWs out of all items, fewer outfit slots/no ability to buy more) but the beta wardrobe is missing essentials (it won't alphabetize, you can't search within your own wardrobe, you can't filter by layer). HAs are my favourite part of the site and I would really love to see the beta wardrobe finished off.

More objectively, forums. Considering Subeta is partially a social site, and that the forums are the easiest place to interact with staff and a source of site news (not all the updates and such make the front page, after all), and are the first place to go to ask for help instead of ticketing the already-busy staff, and are a source of a special site currency, they should probably be one of the highest priority targets. I wish I knew something about web design/coding so I could offer actual suggestions, but I don't, so I'm just throwing out my two cents as an Average User.

I agree with this topic and pretty much everything that has been said (so much I don't feel I need to say anything else too many things, I obviously can't not type a lot)!

The new wardrobe is still so buggy that I've been slowly losing all motivation to make HAs (once upon a time I'd change everyday, sometimes multiple times a day, now I change... every two weeks if so?). The new CW system still has many bugs, too (items not available for sale showing up on shop search, items not available on shop search showing up with the "buy" button in the wardrobe).

(While we're at it, since it was mentioned, the CW area doesn't really have any minis anymore, last I checked they had been inactive for months... D: )

Idk, minion battling can be fun and all, but my mind instantly goes to pet battling and how we still don't have multiple default sets or a scroll library. And then yeah, of course, the eternally beta wardrobe, the forums still lagging and occasionally eating text and pings (but they get new layouts tested every now and then!), the achievements page, the main groups page that hasn't loaded for idk how many weeks (plus all the bugs related to new groups functionality, like not being able to rename private forum areas)... :/

I think the site has way too limited resources for so many projects, indeed. I'm fairly sure most of the long term users would prefer the possibly-unexciting bug fixes to new fun features. (Actually bug fixes can be pretty exciting, you never know how much you need something until you lose it. So getting it back is fantastic, haha.)

- Alphabetizing, searching, and layer filtering are all there in the beta wardrobe. The sorting does act funny sometimes (I know it can show some non-existant items when you view all items on Subeta), but otherwise those features work ok.

Some problems that haven't been addressed:

• You can't edit drawers
• Zombie strains and other bases don't display
• You can't hide the hair layer
• You can't see an item's name until you put it on
• The list of items you're wearing does not include layer names
• Sometimes you can get stuck in one tab ("Base" is the biggest issue for me) and have to refresh to move to another tab.
• The hair salon is a straight up usability disaster. Like really.
• Items use the wrong gender overlay (at least I think it still happens occasionally?)
• That stupid broken image on the HA preview when you load the wardrobe (this is a minor thing but ugghhhh I hate it)

And that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more. I know there have been plenty of feedback and bug report threads about it, so there's no reason for the programmers to not know what's wrong.

THEY DO?!?! Since that wardrobe was created I haven't been able to use those functions -- it just turns up the "no items found" page. I'm not saying that it's broken, then, if it works for other people, but it sure as hell doesn't work for me and never has, so I just figured it was the same for everyone. But I guess it's just me, somehow...?

Wow, that's weird. Are you sure it's not a weird cache issue or something? I mean I know I neglect clearing my cache but I would think most people would have since the beta wardrobe was introduced? Have you tried in a different browser maybe? :x

- It could very well be another weird edge-case bug they haven't noticed yet. Who knows?

I'd try making a bug report, because they can't fix something they don't know is broken.

There's also the fact that "newest" doesn't seem to actually mean anything in the beta wardrobe, and clicking it does nothing. or that if you want to reference the colors on an item you're already wearing, you'll have to go find that item in your wardrobe again and reclick it, rather than just clicking the item on the list of things currently on the HA. or that you'll get an "INFO" alert about wearing too many of one layer when you're wearing only 2. Or even 1 at times. Or the design issues that may just be a personal dislike for items being smaller, holding less per page, and the fact that the entire wardrobe page is longer so I have to keep scrolling up and down to see the items, and then the base, and then the items again, so on and so forth.

I just want to nod in agreement with this thread. I really like the site, but lately it's been... hard to stay motivated about everything. When you feel like you've been giving great suggestions, great ideas, great fixes for so long, such small things, to not see anything happen is so frustrating. Not even programming jobs - text changes, clarifications, things that'd take a couple of minutes and be another small piece in the jigsaw of a great site. To not see any follow through is just demoralising.

Support for this thread.

Is there even a feedback thread for the beta wardrobe anymore? There's at least two MAJORRRRR annoyances I have with it that I wanted to give feedback on, but when I went to find a thread I found like three or four different ones. One hadn't been touched in like three or four months (so I worried me posting there would necro it), and the others didn't really fit the "I have feedback about this aspect" thing.

Also hitting "quote post" now erases everything you've already typed. Not surprised it's broken. How sad is that. Lets see if I remember what I typed. Here's a condensed version.

I started that "Lets revamp everything thread!" back in August of last year. AUGUST! Nothing from there is fixed 100% yet, hell most of it hasn't seen any sort of marked improvement. At the time I made that thread stuff had already been broken for weeks or months.

I throw a lot of money at this site, I always have. I've stated that I would donate to a fundraiser to fix coding and I will. But I just don't know how much time that Subeta has left to keep me engaged. Nothing really works properly on here and nothing has for far too long. I haven't done much here for weeks, why bother. I can't even kill time browsing the forums since those take too long to load and I get fed up after a few threads.

I don't even wardrobe, and I can't stand to use the beta wardrobe |D

I use a [drawing] tablet [instead of a mouse] 99.9% of the time (don't ask, I'm weird) and I typically have to click on an item 5-10 times to get it to actually select (not a problem with the normal wardrobe). I also can't use newest (I mean I CAN but it doesn't do anything), and every time I click for a new page half of the stuff that shows up was stuff on the previous page.

I also have NO idea how to remove stuff from the beta wardrobe? I'd like those check boxes back.

Anyways, in regards to this board I think a huge problem is a seemingly short attention span leading the dog sled-- and there just being too many ideas, and not enough time. I know how that is, I do. I have some wicked adhd and even with medication it's extremely easy for me to get caught up in something new and leave half finished crap all over the place. Which is fine with hobbies or random crap that doesn't mean anything, when it comes to work that just isn't a viable excuse.

You have to focus to get a task completed. If a single person cannot do a task for whatever reason (other more pressing things pop up-- which happens, constantly, trust me I know this far too well) then the task at hand needs to become a group effort. I know it's easier to just do something yourself, but that takes longer and requires total 110% dedication which is not something dooable when you have a small group of people and more pressing matters popping up.

Anyways, my biggest eyebrow raise to this is-- I really hope that fundraising board is gaining speed behind the scenes. I hate seeing stuff like this constantly popping up, and problems constantly causing backpedaling and delays and how much stuff needs to be done to get something to work-- and then that board just sitting there.

I mean, I get it. Asking for that magnitude of help is a blow to the pride, everyone always wants to get things done themselves. It's more rewarding that way, but it's just not viable in a professional setting. Even Superman had to play human, during his day job.

Some tips that might help in the Beta Wardrobe:

[li]If you type in a search, you'll need to click All Drawers (or whatever drawer you wanted to search in) again, or click the layer you wanted to search within (or all) again. For some reason typing in a search causes it to stop looking at your wardrobe. When you click one of those options, it should fix and search within whatever you're trying to search in.

[li]99% of the time, clicking the "Name" sort option will alphabetize your wardrobe properly. You may need to click the "All Drawers" option after clicking name (or again, whatever drawer or layer or all layers) to get it to reload it properly. This also goes for the "Newest" sort option.

[li]To filter within layers, you'll need to click "All Drawers" or whichever drawer you want to use - it will reload and show that layer.

As long as you're not trying to use bases, salon, or skins, the Beta is actually pretty functional.

HOWEVER - all of the issues outlined about the Beta are huge problems for everyone with no workarounds (and also we shouldn't have to do the things I just mentioned above in order to make the Beta work properly).

ALSO - and it has been reported and is being looked into - You cannot wear more than 24 items on an HA and have the "Share" feature work. Staff is aware of this - I've been testing for the staff member assigned to my ticket. They thought they'd fixed it, but alas they had not. There is absolutely no reason they can figure for this so far.

[edit] Also now suddenly since pointed out the highly inactive forum mods, it appears that all moderator listings have been removed from forums. We're not allowed to know who is supposed to be monitoring us anymore? And also now we have nobody to ask to lock our threads

I am not sure why they were removed, but hopefully it is temporary. maybe someone read my point and is doing something about it o-o here's to hoping! thanks for pointing this out, I hadn't noticed yet

[edit] active ones remain, inactive ones were pulled from what I can tell.