To be able to "buy" CSC items with sP, yes! I would most definitely support that. Keep in mind that this is going to be a massive sP sink and items will be very, very, expensive. I would think it wouldn't be say, 2mil for a CW but more. I do think that this would be a way to incentivize users to spend more time on Subeta and possibly buy CSC in the future to buy additional CWs with. If the site is willing to do this I would see this as a popular option.

I buy CS items with my sP and I will continue to do so regardless of whether this is implemented or not.

CWs are a part of the site and I could understand why CW shop owners would be concerned. From what I'm hearing, it's about devaluing of items and loss of profit - so financial terms - but I think this is something that we should look into more.

But about locked wardrobe items, I'm not sure if that's something I'm 100% for. I'd definitely be a lot more careful when buying items, that's for sure. As someone who is in the Advertising forums quite a bit I do see the value of being able to resell goods. You'd be stuck with the item forever and there would be no turning around of items, but I don't know how many users would be up for this.

If what the new update is how it is going to work then I would like to change my previous statement and id be all up for it, if for example the vanity lines that are in the cs would have like a discount and be 100csc each if they are permanently going to stay in the wardrobe then I think that is an awesome idea, why not give the people who arent going to resell it but use it a discount.

Even if this feature only applied to items already in the Cash Shop, I still wouldn't really like to see it happen. I don't think Subeta should be signing itself up for anything that makes site donations less necessary. Even if we're in good standing NOW and it would be fine to have something like this NOW I think it would be terrible if the Cash Shop suffered in the future because now people are waiting to buy things with SP. The number of people who wait to buy everything during CS sales is bad enough.

Although I'm sure it would have its own drawbacks, I would rather see a SP option applied to the Crystal Shop or see the time limit on the Millionaire Center gone completely.

How so (not being snarky - I just want to know why you think that someone would bother using CSC to buy one item if they can get it for a lesser amount with sP)? If you can own the wearable for say, 15 mil, why would you spend 700 CSC on a CW? CSC will ultimately lose value as less people are interested in purchasing it (why bother when you can grab the item you want with fake money instead). It wouldn't encourage anyone who didn't need a specific item for a TC or Gallery to continue to use CSC to buy CWs - especially since someone else can just buy the wearable copy for sP at a fraction and then if they ever don't need it reselling becomes near impossible (for a large number of items its already fairly impossible to resell them).

It also discourages me as someone who commissions CWs from doing so - who will buy items I spent quite a lot of real money to have made and submitted for CSC when they can just hope to grab them for sP? I get back nothing of what I put out there. I'm not looking to profit - I'm hoping they're likable enough that I can possibly break even.

Because I think these wearables are going to be extremely expensive. I'm not sure how much exactly they were thinking, I'm not sure how much each person is willing to spend. But if we're going to pay the devil's advocate here, we could say that people would see what they could get and possibly be willing to shell out $$ for these items. I do think that CWs are appealing, and I do think that if people could get their hands on it they would. Not only do you want to get people to keep on buying CSC but you want to attract new people to buy CSC as well, and perhaps this could be an option. You want people to spend time and money on your website and introducing new incentives for people to do so needs to be done.

I think that more regulations would have to be put in place if we're even going to think of implementing this. Perhaps CW shop owners could choose what items they wanted to be put for sP - perhaps it would only be Pawn Shop CSCs that have been in there for x amount of time. What sort of CWs are going to be sold for this amount of sP is something that I think matters in this discussion. From what I've been seeing people are thinking all CWs all the time will have this option and I don't think it'll ever be that way, I think that's just waaay too much. We need sP sinks too and this could be a good way to have huge sP sinks.

I understand why you feel this way as a CW shop owner, and I totally understand that there are a lot of drawbacks. Bu I think there could be a lot of benefits. It's just a matter of whatever is best for the site. Tbh I think this idea is going to never happen based on the large amount of backlash I'm seeing from those in the CW community.

I've at times, been tempted to spend real money on CSC, and it's just something I'm not in a place to do at the moment. Spending $4, $5, $6, $7 on one article of online pixels instead of something real isn't necessarily something that everyone can do. Even if my cynical side says nothing of this sort will ever be done on Subeta, I think having this discussion is a good thing.

Ah - Keith did say, unfortunately, that the items released this way, while expensive, would be less than the cost of getting the "full" item - which is why I know that it would end up being only people who needed a gallery, TC, or gifting copy of the item who would bother spending CSC on it. It won't be so restrictive that it would encourage people to use other methods if they only want it for their wardrobe =/

There definitely do need to be more incentives for people to purchase CSC, but unfortunately I think this will have the opposite effect. I know quite a few people who've noted that if this happens and CWs are involved, we'll likely quit spending the amount of money on here that we do - it may not stop entirely (because realistically there are other things like GAs and pet slots, etc) but it would drastically cut the amount of money I would personally be willing to spend since I can earn sP for way less effort than it takes me to earn the real life money I use here. It would also mean a reduction in the number of people willing to commission artists, since the chances to recoup your costs (or even part of your costs) would be slim.

Personally - I think the suggestions people have made for wardrobe-related sP sinks that don't damage the CW Community are much more viable options (and would help reduce the amount of sP on site and reduce inflation).

I don't know if you've had a chance to read everything posted but some of the fantastic suggestions included things like more unlockable hairs directly in the salon, the return of the Cruise Ship unlockable hairs (since they were never items), the ability to unlock old zombie/event skins which are now wearable like items (but again have never been actual physical site items), new purchasable base features, new purchasable base colors, and several others.

While I understand that its frustrating to see so many things bought with CSC that are harder to obtain if you're only converting sP to CSC and not buying CSC with real life money, its not at all impossible to achieve goals. I have friends who are very limited and rarely, if ever, have any money to spend here. They manage to get CS and CW items that they want without too much trouble.

Keith pushing aside the need for the majority of folks to ever need to buy CSC will lead to less people buying it and more people relying only on sP - which is bad for the site economically.

Admitting right now that I haven't gone through all the pages as of my posting (because its nearly bedtime).

Not particularly fond of the perma-wardrobe lock idea, especially as I'm an achievement person. There are many many wardrobe achievements where one must have certain items in their wardrobe. Many of these items I'm buying for the achievement with little to no chance of actually using them and that includes some hard to get hold of items. As soon as I get the achievement the items get or will get thrown into my shop for someone else to buy.

May I throw out a suggestion? Perhaps a timed account lock instead? The item could be locked to the users account, instead of the wardrobe so that it still may be used in a TC, for a period of 6 months (6 months used for sake of an example. Maybe a maximum time cap around 1.5 years). It would still cut down on that instant turn-around with incredibly rare old items but it would still give users a little flexibility on what they can do with their item.

[edit] As for the sP sink idea - CWs should most definitely not be a part of this should it happen. If its implemented it should be a very very rare occurrence so as not to dissuade users from buying CSC. Why would you spend real money if your desired rare item could be bought for a month's worth of sP all the time? I see this as a potential way to introduce a limited amount of all manners of old old -like newborn Subeta sort of old- items, including old event items. Maybe a few batches of 100 a piece with a timer like the token shop?

( - pinging because of suggestion. Hope you're having a good night!)

Admitedly, I did not read through previous posts because I have some other things on my plate to do before bed.

I think I understand what you meant, but I wanted to clarify since I'm a little confused.

What you're saying (if I'm right) is that, hypothetically, a CS item has two options.

Option : Purchase a CS item as we always have in the past, granting us the ability to do what we want with it (be it keep it, sell it, etc) Option : Purchase said CS item with sP as opposed to CSC. However, purchasing with sP will bind it to our wardrobe which permanently locks it to use for our avatar only.

Is this what you mean? And if so, does this apply to CWs as well? I'm really not sure if I'm even on the right track though xD

This is not pointed to anyone personally or any specific individual. When I see someone posting that sP's are fake and not real $$$. That's not necessarily true. Yes, they are pixels and can easily be obtained onsite without contributing real money. However, I would like to share this with anyone who may disagree with this post. Prior to CW's being introduced to this site. I had already contributed a very substantial amount of In God We Trust. I then turned it over by purchasing CSC's and resold them for sP's, as at that time it was the only way to make most purchases. While I totally understand those who are in the CW business artist/commissioners and how they don't want to see their items devalued, I totally agree with that. However, a lot of my sP's did come from real money as well, just like a CW item, which was purchased with real money. At this time, it may not be worth as much as CSC, but please take into consideration, that not everyone on site has never contributed real money for the so called fake ~ :) ~

Okay, I've read through most of these posts. Just a few thoughts.

I got on here well after old plots, like the Islander plot. For other events like some of the EpiCon ones, I couldn't accrue enough points to afford the wearables because of RL and the insane lag on here during events. If some of these older items could come back at high sp prices in the wardrobe, that would be incredible (especially because I like to play in my wardrobe). I would have no issue spending a lot of sp on older wearable items that I liked but can't get through any other means. In that case, having the items locked to the wardrobe would be great. For other items (plushies, beanbags, etc.) maybe something similar could be done with those collections down the road.

I don't know how I feel about discounted CS items. Old event items, absolutely since those really can't be obtained through other means. But CS items could be bought with CSC. I buy CSC when I want items or there's a Stripe bonus for the weekend. With the trunks gone is the CS I'm not rushing to buy other CS items at the moment. Some of them are nice, but I can't justify dropping RL money on them. I don't know if I'd use the discounted sp feature for the regular CS items. Maybe for some of the Pawn Shop CWs that need to be cleared out but not for like a jacket or something.

For the achievement-related items, I really like the idea that threw out. Having a time cap on some of these items would be great if they are made available. Maybe not old SBQ collections since those are available through Gifts of Fashions Past, but some of the other items are really difficult to acquire, like the 100k member items.

Overall I'm in favor of this idea. Even though there will probably be some hiccups in the beginning, I think this feature could be really useful, especially if it gets extended to other collections for other items that are (virtually) impossible to acquire.

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this sounds really great! i would absolutely be all for it!

Not sure how I feel about this. Didn't read all the posts. Will read OP again. I know I spend my fair share of money for CSC and CWs. If it goes against me. I'll just stop buying CSC with real money.

Amen to this idea! Bless! Anything that allows me to get more items for my wardrobe and easier has big thumbs up from me. I'm kind of an wardrobe addict so I don't plan on taking anything out of it anyways!

I'm personally very neutral on this one; honestly, it's not a bad idea! Being able to purchase things in other currencies is nice, esp without the backfire of having people resell at a huge profit later on. That's nice.

But for me personally, I'm a big impulse buyer. I wouldn't get a lot of use out of this, purely because I buy things and turn around just to sell them so frequently - not for profit, but just because I become enamoured with things and then...ah, less so.

I'm also not fond of things being stuck with me forever. It's not negative, but for example if I bought something with that restriction, I wouldn't be able to lend to friends, return it to someone (if it becomes something users can invoke on items, such as private CWs - which I hope we don't, but that's a whole 'nother bucket of worms), gift it down the line...

I just wouldn't use it. It's not something that works for how I roll. My wardrobe is constantly in a state of flux.

Totally agree. Plus... EVERY item will be locked, or only certain items? Like, CSC? Aaand... The most beautiful thing in this site, in my opinion, is that you are free to sell everything you want.

I'm not too keen on this idea personally, but it's mostly because I move wardrobe items all the time. I also buy cw items a lot of the time primarily to either a) resell in some cases or b) treasures so having wardrobe items locked to the wardrobe would pretty be inconvenient for me personally.

Please, only if we have the option to buy the item and it is not locked. I do not like having things somewhere locked and some years later i do not like them anymore.

I am in agreement.I have to say no. it'd be nice to be able to lock them in optionally, and be able to unlock them.. if my tastes have changed..if I got event items I really hate...etc. And i have categories of wardrobe stuff, and I agree that it's make it really sad for those who could not be here for an event.. they'd NEVER get soemthing it's like private release CW's which just annoy me sometimes. Looking it over... The flash sale and optionally locking are are great but the rest seems to limit s too many people.. I work full time.. sometimes I am not on for very long at all.. so I am one of the ones who'd be affected my this.

I haven't read through all the posts, so this has probably been said already

Flash Sale An occasional flash sale idea sounds neat, but if that included CWs in the CW shops, how would that work for the % we get for each sale - would we still get CSC (given that users are buying it with sP), or would be get sP for the sale, or what?

Event Items It definitely should not be tied to new event items though - if it was, we'd end up with wardrobes stuffed full of things we're never likely to use, that we can't remove, which surely ends up going the same way as the hoarding shops (due to the achievements) that Keith was saying shouldn't be encouraged any more? Also, if for some reason we were unable to do one element of an event (maybe real life got in the way / internet cut out / the neighbourhood was attacked by a T-Rex :P), it's nice to know there's usually someone selling the item we missed out on, so there's an opportunity to get it. I really don't like the idea of event items being tied to accounts / tied to the wardrobe.

CWs I really don't see how CWs could be added into this at all - nor do I like the idea. It's hard enough to fill a batch at the moment (even for "popular" CWs like backgrounds), without people avoiding CSC because they can buy a CW with sP (potentially cheaper than buying the CSC with sP, otherwise it'd defeat the object of having them for sale for sP, as you could just buy the CSC with sP and get the CW direct from the shop).

tl;dr Like the idea for old / rare / hard-to-find items (even old event items)

Hate the idea for new event items & CWs