How mediocre. c:
This really sucks...I restock using the vending machines. I will not be able to keep my shop stocked at 1400-1700 items anymore. If anything the price should have gone down. There had better be some good items in the VM's.
I'm not sure I understand how the "economy" works here. People need to somehow make enough money to buy what they want on the site and buying and selling need to be fairly equal. They need a way to make large amounts of money occasionally to afford high priced items which are rare. Is this right in a nutshell?
Inflation isnt a problem because people are always saying that prices have deflated. To stop inflation you curb spending (in the real world). So we need to encourage spending? I always thought the vending machines kept the economy going. People need tokens so they do quests. When they do quests they buy from user shops. People stock their shops from the vending machines - so it goes in a nice circle. If people think the vending machines aren't worth it they may not do as many quests and shop sales will go down and the economy will become stagnant.
Would it work if you had more items only available from the machines, you had the recycle beast request more items (and put some more tempting rewards in the recycle beasts shop) and had the autopricer only work for items valued up to 100k (to help stop undercutting).
Maybe I'm looking at it all wrong - I'm just confused how this price increases helps the site although I'm sure Keith only wants to try what's best for everyone.
Oh.. that sucks 
Why not 3 tokens? Why jump to 4? At least with 3 tokens I can use up my 15's cleanly. Now I got bits lying around
well i dont think that at the current prices of tokens and the fact that it takes 2000 - 3000 tokens to stock a shop now the vending machienes are eating more tokens what a rip-off now i would have to spend 4000 - 6000 tokens to vend items that are already deflated to where you make barely more then you spend on the tokens.. i dont think ill be staying around subeta much longer sure you have uped the token amount from the wizard but not enough to even cover this.. i cant count the number of tokens i have vended this was poorly thought out. why not set 100 items for the recycleing beast to eat up. to help curb deflation. so it looks like ill be sitting on my tokens. they have become gallery items.
If this was to fix the market flooding, then I'd -much- rather have seen a cap put on how many times each person can vend; rather than raising the token cost which puts slower earners out, since most will likely sell any tokens they get now.
Two disappointments in as many days, first the 'kads' and now this...why must good things always change.
For new users, getting things from the token machines was a quick way to get started and both learn who carried what in the shops and to get plushies and beanbags for the trophies. Making the machines more expensive just makes it harder for new people to 'fit in' with the long time players.
I don't know if you changed the items you can get already or this is just my lucky evening, but I keep getting very interesting items (even a couple of UBs). Cool! 
sigh Oh well....
No fair. To me it's not worth using the vending machines anyways because all you get is cheap junk thats worthless.
Yeah...this is totally not going to change the fact that anything from the vending machine is mostly worthless. I liked vending too, but it was already at the point where it wasn't worth it anymore...
kysta: the damage has already been done for the most part. I don't see any of the items that have fallen below 1k to go back up in price in user shops, even if half the people that used them stop bothering.
hmmm.....well, for me, it is just a game, and I will have fun no matter what. If I need to spend more to see what comes out of those nifty machines, that is ok with me. I can remember getting some mighty cool items for little scratch from those vendings. I am with ya all the way! I love this game!
i dont restock nor do i trade much, i made sps vending when the site wasnt horrible lagging which hasnt been anytime recently so for me this sucks. if they up the rarity of items the machines spit out maybe that'll change but at the moment its not worth it enless you have 20k tokens a day to put in and are extremly lucky always get dps which i dont.
Test run at OD
Orange Mary Janes 1,890 sP
Fester Helmet 760 sP
Keeto Axe Of Destruction 99 sP
Collecting Seashells for Beginners 2,850 sP
Purple Pirate Shirt 590 sP
worth the 20 tokens? not even close by quite a bit
ill go try at prize get
Twilight Cadogre Beanbag 129 sP
Dragarth Marionette 190 sP
Field Hikei Plushie 7,499 sP
Blue Permanent Marker 160 sP
Fairy Blade Plushie 9,607 sP
worth the 20 tokens? not even 1/4th of the price it just cost me
plain and simple, this sucks, though thank you staff for pointing out for me that at even the normal price would vending be worth it anymore ;_;
The only reason I even do the vending machine in the first place is to try to get an ice blade. So far all I've gotten for weeks is mainly cheap stuff. Guess I'll start saving those extra tokens for a while instead.
meh, shrugs shoulders I'm not a hardcore vender, but i know people who are and this doesn kinda suck considering the wiz is the only guy to get tokens. But i could see an increase in GA purchases (from Cash Shop) For the extra 10 quests... I do think its a little annoying because when i do vend the chances of getting a halfway decent item are like 1 maybe 2 in 30. But sense Buyable is now 1mill the economy has become unstable and things that were UB and Cost 600k now cost like 2 mill. Undercutters are the root of all evil in the subetian economy. I could price an item the first one, and within days sometimes hours the price of said item has deflated 300 sometime 400k i seen an item drop over half the original price within 3 shops because of undercutting. If the items in the vending machines were rare and special they're value would drop aswell, the reason an item is rare is because they're limited in quantity. Think ABout free items or trivia prizes if 1000 people get a rare trivia item suddenly theres 1k more of that item floating around. the so called junk isn't really junk, Its the undercutters making it so. I just think less people will vend, and save there tokens for the token shop releases. Maybe throw a chance at pulling a uncharted map peice into the randomness a slim chance but a chance pweeese cute puppy eyes
Well, until item rarities and a larger change of UBs popping up happens, I'll be forced to lie in wait.
Hey Keith, I haven't heard form you about this thought it's been mentioned. Will you fix the Wizard to compensate fro the token price increase? And hopefully stop from from pricing UBs almost constantly?
they should have made the game harder
a chance you get nothing perhaps.
This would be OK if I got something other than cheap junk from the machines. I agree with previous posts, the items should be a little better to make it worthwhile wasting the tokens, then it might work better.
Yeah, in the long run, it won't be that bad.
Just bear it people.
Glad I don't vend. =D
i think they were faced with 3 options 1 up the tokens 2 put a cap on how many times you can vend at each machine or just watch the economy suffer even more
Well, it's a good theory but highly doubtful it'll work. I work in the stock market for a RL living and the government has been trying to do this for the last 6 months. Economy never works the way it's "supposed" to. Ah well, I've been drifting from Subeta more and more since the quest changes and this pretty much caps it for me.
It was fun while it lasted....
Eh, this sucks.
I understand the economical reasons behind this...however....perhaps the rarity of the items coming out could be upped a little?
They were not worth doing already in my opinion.
So upping the price, yes, will slow down the amount of 'x' item being released into the economy, but still, its one of the more fun things to do.
Be nice if I am using tokens there Id have a better chance of getting a rare item if I have to pay more now.
:0 My income has been destroyed with vending.
But the prices of tokens will go up methinks. I'm probably wrong though. -goes to sell tokens-
i have for a long time balanced my shop with the vending machines. 500 tokens would on an average day return me around 1.2 mil sp just a small profit, with the good item every now and then as a bonus. do the maths= 500 tokens (1 mil sp ) now to get the same return it will cost me 2 mil sp to get 1.2 mil sp for get it it must have taken some bright boys to think this one up... opps i guess i will be frozen for that but i am fast getting to the stage of not caring. when thing are working why change them???? thats what i think
Posted by fitz578
"good job DarkmatterVappy how many times did you go ?
cause right now 2 point wix token goes for 3 k so i would guess 4 at around 5 or 6 k .but either way good job"
Well, I only had 96 tokens, so I think mine was like the sixth and eighteenth times. The other items I got were useful as food and toys (with a couple of items going to the wardrobe as well). The one I was really disappointed in was OD and ocassionally Prize Get!, but then again, I was trying for the Riptide earlier on and still getting a lot of Subetatique items. I managed to get most of the set before Gargoyle outta that one as well as most my two Dew outfits.
Because they had to buy up all those expensive items (and the cheap ones!) to put them in there
With thousands of tokens being put into the vending machines each day, how did they end up going into the red?
Well there goes my way of making any sP on this site. I can't rs with my slow internet connection so I guess I'll be spending a lot less time on this site. Thanks for making things so difficult. I thought when we were given 2 extra weeks yesterday thins were looking up. Boy I guess I was wrong.
Well, there goes the profit on vending machines...
I think the big problem with inflation was OD. Why not tweak just OD and leave the rest?
I personally will be surprised if the price of items goes up enough to make vending worthwhile at 4 tokens a pop. Most of the items in question are useless except as quest items, and people aren't going to double what they're willing to spend on quests unless the value of the quests also goes up (which has its own inflation-related issues).
oh my word
I love to vend when I can and I
blew all my sp's on tokens and
played all the tokens I had last nite
good job DarkmatterVappy how many times did you go ?
cause right now 2 point wix token goes for 3 k so i would guess 4 at around 5 or 6 k .but either way good job
Well hopefully there will be better items in them, with the inflation of the cost of the vending machines it should crosses fingers and toes
Posted by fitz578
"holds on to my tokens for now ..i never have luck vending anyways ..trys my luck
1st vend Flying Feli Bomb 113 sp
2nd vend Poisonous Mushy Hat 599 sp
3rd vend Ripped Jeans 147 sp
4th vend Long White Dragon Horns 299 sp
5th vend Blue Polka-Dotted Maternity Shirt 95 sp
YIKES trys 5 more
6th vend Devonti Harp of Sleeping 695
7th vend Blueberry Gummy Pumpkin 75 sp
8th vend Blueberry Donut with Sprinkles 5799 sp
9th vend Bloodred Feli Hot Water Bottle 50 sp
10th vend Orange Polka-Dotted Maternity Shirt 325 sp
those are my aveage items most times i'll spend 200 or more tokens..well goodluck to the rest of the vending machine people .."
Well, I went with Grave Digger, and I was able to get a Picture of a Red New Year's Bird and a Mori Spirits, both at least over 10k, for my gallery, so I'm pretty happy.
holds on to my tokens for now ..i never have luck vending anyways ..trys my luck
1st vend Flying Feli Bomb 113 sp
2nd vend Poisonous Mushy Hat 599 sp
3rd vend Ripped Jeans 147 sp
4th vend Long White Dragon Horns 299 sp
5th vend Blue Polka-Dotted Maternity Shirt 95 sp
YIKES trys 5 more
6th vend Devonti Harp of Sleeping 695
7th vend Blueberry Gummy Pumpkin 75 sp
8th vend Blueberry Donut with Sprinkles 5799 sp
9th vend Bloodred Feli Hot Water Bottle 50 sp
10th vend Orange Polka-Dotted Maternity Shirt 325 sp
those are my aveage items most times i'll spend 200 or more tokens..well goodluck to the rest of the vending machine people ..
Like I said before, I'm one who does vend a lot, but most of the items I'd keep (heck, I'd even do that with the wiz or the other quests). However, if I got items that were deflated in the shops, I'd send them to the DC, not try to undercut what's already been undercutted. I think that you guys should try to do the same instead of griping about how this has ruined your vending... It's just a game, guys...
Oh, and in other news, I was able to get two items for my gallery that I'd been wanting. While Vending Machines usually didn't get me a lot of stuff I wanted, the stuff that I DID get meant that I didn't have to buy it in the shops, which in my eyes, saves me a lot of sP in the long run.... So while you guys might think this is a bad idea right now, in the long run, it will be good.
Oh, and good luck getting the potions. 
I've already gotten my Reborn Potion yesterday, so I'm happy with that as well.
I knew I should have vended earlier but I kept putting it off - that'll teach me...lol
From Jess:
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Look at the big picture people.
great, since i can't restock for crap, the vending machines are how i make my money. i used to be able to make about a million a day through quests and vending, but i'm lucky to break even on quests now, so the vending was all i had left. guess i'm screwed. seems if you aren't a restocker there's no real way to make money now.
I think people will continues to vend for their Riptides and other stuffs..o.o
I have yet to vend my first donation present. This change does not exactly incline me to try more...
Thanks Keith - that's all I wanted to hear!
(Now about those Mardi Gras items??? It's just terrible having grown up with it and moving someplace that hardly knows what it is!!!)
At first glance this is infuriating, beyond infuriating in fact. We're all familiar with the junk that can come out of those machines. Keith you appear to be a young man with a good head on your shoulders. You've created a site that's both fun and relaxing to play. We'll have to see what you've stocked the machines with and how our shop sales go. I don't suppose the Wiz will now be giving 20 point tokens to compensate? I do have to question your timing on this, with all the down time in the past week was it a good idea to throw something like this at us at this time? I don't know, we'll just have to wait and see what the machines are stocked with. Even if all the junk has been removed and higher priced items have been put in it'll only be a matter of days before the undercutters render them junk as well and we'll be right back to vending worthless items, at double the price. I just hope you know what you're doing and this site doesn't go down the Neo road (being too annoying to bother with).
Well.... this might also bring up the value of some items... it's a little annoying BUT hey.... it could be worse o_O
And, of course, like always I'm watching how this changes things.
If I see that less people are vending, I'll up the raritys on the vending machines, etc.
I think its a bad idea. More people will stop spending the tokens at the vending machines and start selling them in shops making them deflate and, as the wizard seems to ask for a lot of expensive stuff, it wont be worth doing the quests!
The 100 point wiz token just went UB. O_O Instead of buying them at 1mil they should better buy 15 pt token 'cause it's more profitable XD I do know that's for the potion, though :p
Hm... looks like I won't be using the vending machines anymore.