Stick it to the Man!: Pronoun Stickers

October 7, 2019, 7:02 am by

I'mma slap all 3 on me.

There we go.

October 7, 2019, 6:44 am by

Andalite_Bandit "entitled"??! Entitled?? In real life, I hide. The internet is the only place I feel safe saying who I truly am. It feels wrong on every level and it HURTS but I don't say anything because I don't want to get yelled at and I want to be hired and I want to be have friends and be safe.

You know that only HALF of all trans people (including nonbinary) live to 30? (mostly because either suicide or getting murdered). I wouldn't exactly call that the picture of entitlement.

It's not an aesthetic. It's not trendy. It's not safe. Every trans person is really brave and deserves a lot better than the shit you're giving them.

October 7, 2019, 6:43 am by

Well... this has escalated quickly.

A mod gonna come in here like:

October 7, 2019, 5:48 am by

"Hey could you tell that person I need to talk to them?"

...you - you do realise that's literally you using a pronoun, right? That's exactly how pronouns are used. I mean, props for you using the neutral even while angrily swearing about how it's not necessary, but...

October 7, 2019, 5:40 am by

The grammar I was taught were from teachers who followed rules that were formalized far before the end of the previous century. Do we need to be angry at our language? I don't believe that would be necessary. On the other hand, we can't be ignorant of the shortcomings either. We will eventually take the place of our teachers, and be responsible for what we teach. Instead, we need to seek and promote understanding why these rules should be changed in order to gain wide acceptance. (For example, it's really clunky to use "the person" instead of "them" when other pronouns don't suffice.) This also goes for other things we learn and teach.

October 7, 2019, 5:36 am by

Yikes, should have known better than to look at the comments. Loving these stickers anyway, thanks!

October 7, 2019, 5:28 am by

amazing

October 7, 2019, 5:19 am by

Who the fuck cares? I'm not messing up my speech patterns and proper English, just because you rudely felt the need to point out some sort of entitlement to me. I'm not calling you by some stupid fucking pronoun, I'll address you personally without using any pronoun at all. I wanna get your attention "Hey you!" trying to get someone else to get your attention "Hey could you tell that person I need to talk to them?" You're my friend and I'm introducing you, I'll use your fucking NAME. We can go through life perfectly well without the use of pronouns, and this rampant need to moderate the world because you feel that you need every facet of it to suit you is the sheer height of narcissism, and it's breeding a generation of entitled little bitches and divas that think they can walk all over poor hardworking employees, and even destroy their livelihood and get them fired, or humiliate people in public because they didn't live up to a standard you decided to set for yourself. Fuck your pronouns, I have ways around them because at the end of the day it's not about she/ her, or he/him, or even they/them, it's about not being an uptight little entitled piece of shit to people because they didn't accurately describe whatever the fuck it is you have going on with yourself at the moment, and that's what needs to change in this society.

October 7, 2019, 4:54 am by

What do I do if I just want the stickers for sticker collection purposes? Will this confuse people or no?

October 7, 2019, 3:24 am by

Usually I keep my mouth shut in things like this, but as someone who use to cringe at the grammar side of this, I feel the urge to point out a few things. We use they for a singular person now quite normally in our language. You're at a party, head to the pizza and notice it's gone. In a moment of verbal though you say, "Someone at the last slice of pizza". A person next to you comments, "Yes, they did". They use it because it could have been anyone, they don't know for sure. Could they say, "Yes he or she did", of course, but we don't normally speak that way. And so when you're faced with a situation where you don't feel like a she or a he, what do you do? Sadly, you borrow something else that already exists. "It" sounds offensive as Hell, frankly, so you go with "they". Is it annoying to see they used in this context? Absolutely. It is annoying, because it shouldn't have to be that way. There should be a wonderfully singular pronoun for whoever needs one. I wish we had a plethora to choose from. After all, there is a spectrum that exists in the middle of she and he. But you have to be careful online, because being annoyed at the grammar, at the lack of current options is one thing, but being annoyed at it, and saying that in a place where people have no current choice is another. Be mad at the language, not the people who are being limited by it. Language is not stagnant, it evolves. Every year things get added, removed, changed and so on. The English we speak now is much different than the English of a few hundreds years ago. Hopefully when we look back in the future, we'll feel unbelieving in that there existed a time when this was an issue. Hopefully there are more choices then, that everyone has a pronoun as they deserve. If not, at the very fucking least, hopefully we can update the word "they" to be what it's suppose to be, inclusive of everyone.

That all being said, Subeta, I love you... but the blue/pink thing.... we can do better.

October 7, 2019, 3:16 am by

I have yet to hear something similar to 'iel' or 'it' in Romanian ;p It's good that people created something of the sorts in French. This proves that the language is alive not just used ;) Since i don't live in France, nor actively speak French, i didn't hear it, hence i couldn't know. Thank you for telling me :)

October 7, 2019, 3:01 am by

I cringe every time when a news post reaches 100 comments.

October 7, 2019, 2:47 am by

In French, the pronouns "iel" is a neologism used for people who are non-binary, but it's a very recent thing, and most media, written and oral, will prefer using the default "il" for unknown gender instead.

We're not quite as progressive as english is, but I could see the common usage of a french neutral pronoun in my lifetime!

October 7, 2019, 2:46 am by

subeta is really giving me 2012 tumblr discourse vietnam flashbacks with all these mogai-ish updates and how aggressive the comments get lmao

October 7, 2019, 2:43 am by

It... was my joke?

October 7, 2019, 2:42 am by

sigh the grammar people have showed up again...

Go away. You know the rules are made by the people in power, and that applies to the rules about "proper" language as well? A lot of marginalised people have to break the "language rules" when expressing themselves because "mainstream", "proper" language doesn't include the words for how they feel.

October 7, 2019, 2:41 am by

I didn't even realize we didn't have these, so thanks for adding them. But don't we also need the I/you/us as well, now? (just wondering) I understand the purpose of these ones, so please don't bite my head off for a small question.

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But I cringe every time I hear a singular person refer to himself or herself as they or them. It goes against basic grammar.

I almost spilled my coffee reading this... i seriously can't stop laughing XDDDDDD Everywhere i go i hear people using bad grammar and they don't give a flying crap!

Chinese has a single word for he/she/it, it's just written differently. i believe there's no Romance language that has a gender-neutral pronoun like English does. And then there's Finnish or Swedish with no such pronouns, of any gender... so people from any country trying to learn any of these languages have a hard time figuring out which pronoun to use... Should they just not speak because they're scared of making a mistake that goes against basic grammar? Like whaat?? LMAO!

October 7, 2019, 2:23 am by

People who refer to themselves as they are not properly described as "himself" or "herself". (Especially not in allcaps.)

They are neither male nor female. Would you prefer that they refer to themselves as "it"?

Seriously, what is your problem with understanding that people use singular they to refer to themselves because the English language does not offer any "official" gender-neutral pronouns for people, as opposed to objects?

Language, grammar and spelling change over time. It's a natural process.

October 7, 2019, 2:22 am by

You're still incorrect lmao

October 7, 2019, 2:01 am by

oh sry

hAv FuN wiF uR gRamMeR

October 7, 2019, 2:00 am by

grammer*

October 7, 2019, 1:59 am by

"It's just a joke!" is a lame defence even when the person who is being racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic makes it themselves. Making it on the behalf of someone else is just...weird.

October 7, 2019, 1:59 am by

It typically occurs with an unspecified antecedent.

;)

October 7, 2019, 1:59 am by

i cringe every time someone has to impose cisnormativity on other people when it's none of their business (^:

have fun with ur grammar.

October 7, 2019, 1:55 am by

Please note that that is in reference to an UNSPECIFIED person, not a person who in a conversation refers to HIMSELF or HERSELF as they.

October 7, 2019, 1:50 am by

For people who want to educate themselves on the usage of the singular they, my sources are from this link : https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/

October 7, 2019, 1:49 am by

The new Oxford Dictionary has accepted the usage of the singular they for the last twenty years. However, still according to the Oxford Dictionary, there has been presence of the singular "they" since late in the fourteenth century, meaning that it could have been used in verbal language earlier than that.

October 7, 2019, 1:49 am by

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

Lmao it's been used for centuries, fake grammer girl

October 7, 2019, 1:45 am by

jum its spelled grandma*

October 7, 2019, 1:45 am by

um your really letting grammer get in the weigh of how ppl want too express themselfs? ;)

October 7, 2019, 1:44 am by

Jane Austen disagreed with you.

October 7, 2019, 1:34 am by

As someone who loves the English language, I have no problem if someone uses the pronouns she/her/hers or he/him/his, no matter what the physical gender is. But I cringe every time I hear a singular person refer to himself or herself as they or them. It goes against basic grammar.

October 7, 2019, 1:27 am by

These are great!! I'm very thankful for all the trans/non-binary inclusive/focused items. It makes me feel seen and I appreciate that ?

October 7, 2019, 12:52 am by

Fellas, remember what ole' Nietzsche once said 'you can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time'. So quit complaining if the stickers are blue or pink or whatever, and just thank the nice Subeta staff for the great stickers. )sticking my tongue out at all of ya)

October 7, 2019, 12:48 am by

The only thing "yikes" about this is people who have been on Subeta for years and are somehow still surprised whenever they're reminded that the staff and majority of users are LGBT+ friendly. Like where have you been?

October 7, 2019, 12:39 am by

my pet Mx needs one!

October 7, 2019, 12:35 am by

For those who dislike/can't accept that the world isn't black and white and humans come in a wide spectrum of colours, genders, sexualities etc. and that Subeta reflects that: why are you here? I'm not demanding you leave, absolutely not, I'm just curious.

October 7, 2019, 12:32 am by

Absolutely everything is serious and nothing is funny. It's all life or death, folks.

October 7, 2019, 12:30 am by

Yeah I saw that after I'd posted. Good point, there's no reason to waste time and energy on someone like that.

October 7, 2019, 12:29 am by

My point is the amount of rage does not match the comment. Which is vague to begin with. Unless "Yikes" is now a well-known word meaning "die all trans scum" and I missed it?

October 7, 2019, 12:28 am by

Considering they asked if it would be a 'hate crime' to put the wrong pronoun sticker on someone I can also only assume this. Best not to waste any more time and effort on them, it's not worth the time or energy.

October 7, 2019, 12:27 am by

Yeah, I think that "Yikes" on a post about pronouns sticker is that bad, and I'm cisgender. If anything, I think that that one word can only represent disgust, and their subsequent comments weren't much kinder. No, they were more "Yikes"

But let's extrapolate, shall we?

That Yikes, as well as the four people who have liked the post, wasn't said because they hate the concepts of personal pronouns - these individuals most likely use gendered pronouns for themselves. The issue isn't with the art either - the art is simple, efficient, and doesn't look like it came straight from 2005. It's a modern style, and it works well. Kudos to the artist.

So, if they don't have issues with the concepts of pronouns in linguistics, and have no issues with the art, what could they be "yiking" about? The answer is quite obvious, isn't it.

Could it be the fact that people they don't think "worthy" of these pronouns are now free to use these items. Could that disgust be loathing towards people who do not want to abide by the gender binary, people who feel more comfortable with other pronouns than the ones they were assigned at birth.

Extremely likely.

Subeta has been, from its inception, including of everyone. We have gay, lesbian, agender, transgender, non-binary, aromantic, asexual; and we could keep on talk about the bodily and racial diversity shown on site. Subeta has been lightyears ahead of most media, and that's important to mention it.

In conclusion, while I think that "Yikes" is never an acceptable answer to any news post on Subeta, it's doubly disturbing to me, concerning the subject.

October 7, 2019, 12:26 am by

Sigh. You know I'm not considering you quoted me and you were whining about people being angry. 😒 I was right that your feelings about people's identities don't change reality and there's no valid reason to defend an anti. I can only assume you're also one.

October 7, 2019, 12:24 am by

*Another

October 7, 2019, 12:24 am by

Anither good point... I was just thinking a wearable button would make more sense.

Or do we have those already? We might, in which case nevermind.

October 7, 2019, 12:23 am by

You seem to be talking to someone else.

Side-note, will it be considered a hate crime to mis-sticker someone?

October 7, 2019, 12:22 am by

Seeing as how you can now also do the item= code they have much more use than just stickers. People can use that code to put them in profiles or signatures to let others know how they identify, and it can be great TC fodder for pets as well so their gender is more visible than just the site's markers. Plus, as pointed out, you can use the Hustler's service to stick stickers on yourself :)

October 7, 2019, 12:20 am by

Can't even mention me but I see you anyway. Yep, antis' opinions are worth less than dirt and people are rightfully angry when someone goes out of their way to be nasty about their identities. Again, why do you people feel you deserve respect when you show none? Why should anyone take you, your identity, name, occupation, whatever seriously when you choose not to take others' seriously? Do you really not understand why people get angry and upset when you disrepect them?

October 7, 2019, 12:20 am by

Oh yeah, forgot about that...

October 7, 2019, 12:19 am by

Instead of "let people know" it should be, like, "let friends know so they can stick you and let people know".

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