The new darkonite is awesome! Tails up would be even cooler, but I already love this one SO much! Wow!
I took a swing at a touch up.
I thinned the legs a little, pointed the horns, sharpened the muzzle and nose, smoothed the helmet to eyebrow transition between the eyes and made the horns on the side of the face less abrupt, and redrew the tails doing up. I feel those few changes would really perk the redraw up. ^^ What do you guys think?
The new Darkonite is a huge improvement - I do agree, though, that the tails should be raised. Gives more character, and also with the tails down,they are lost among the legs, since the coloring is similar. With the tails raised they'd be much more visible. Also, I agree with another post where it said the Darkonite revamp is too round/curvy. Definitely would benefit from a more angular, sharper edged look. The back end is pretty rounded, it actually makes the Darkonite look anxious, wary. If there's one thing the old Darkonite had going, it was that it had a sort of energy to it. This one seems like it's ready to back away, changes the mood a bit.
I haven't been a huge fan of all these new revamps and new pet colors revamps. Did the subeta staff change or...?
The Darkonite has always been one of my favorite pets, and I am quite pleased with this newest pass at a revision. I wouldn't call it perfect, but it's certainly much better quality than the current graphic and I could live with this change if it were implemented as-is. As others have said, my number one concern is the downward tails. Simply making the tails flow upward would make this graphic just about perfect in my opinion. Another thing others have said is that is looks shy, or cutesie. I'm afraid I cannot agree with this. I think the artist did a great job with the expression, I would not object to adding a little bit more of a grimace, but I think the somewhat passive-aggressive body language and unreadable expression it has going on is the perfect cover-up for all the dark thoughts that must be going on inside it's plotting little head. Speaking of it's head, I must say I support that the artist chose to thicken it's ear spikes. Helps quite a lot in making it's head look less bulbous, and the cracked texture is just divine. In fact, the texture throughout the graphic is a huge improvement from the current one as well as any of the past revisions. May favorite things are the boney plates, they look fantastically smooth and sharp, while the belly has a very dull shine to it, which I also love. It makes the belly look more natural, rather than metallic and strange as other revamps have attempted to do. I think every part of the Darkonite fits together fantastically in this revamp. Nothing seems out of place about it, this is a real, solidly put-together animal we have here. Just edit those tails and we'll have a winner! Thank you, artists.
I think the new darkonite looks very gentle. Which I don't have a problem with, becase as far as I am concerned - the old one can take a flying leap. HOWEVER ... I dont think thats the goal. OH WELL. I think part of the change in emotion is that the new one is being designed with soft curves in mind. His hips are soft and rounded and his spades are soft and rounded. His spikes are soft, his... horns? Are the closest thing he really has to having a point, and they're still much more round than the others.
I'm not entirely sure who is working on the darkonite at this point, but hopefully it makes sense to you for me to say maybe it would help to think about the darkonite in triangles instead of circles. Like - take a look at the lion king. Mufasa is all rounded edges and scar is all sorts of angular. Right now this darkonite is like the benevolent king and the old one was the scheming usurper.
Ah, no. I really hate to critique from this side of the red icon, but the darkonite is not nearly the same species anymore, and it's entirely in the body language and expression. It looks very demure now, which is not anything I'd ever expect from a darkonite. I would suggest either a completely neutral posture/expression or else keep the emotion it has, personally. This may be salvageable just by narrowing the eyes and moving the tails, actually. It looks so very wide-eyed right now, like it is smiling with its eyes. I'd be curious to see it with just those two changes, but alas I am on this side of the staff line now! Boooooooo
Ugh, I just noticed this:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YPLHwTb.png[/IMG]
Why did you darken the field color? Seriously this site is becoming so effing dull with it's color pallet.
Why do you insist in making it look so happy? It's a hell goat devil, it really need a mean look like the old one. Why can't you just make a "rejuvenation" to the Darkonite as you did with the Kumos and Dillema? All of the other revamp options you showed us before have been totally different pets that take the Darko's personality away, and this is no different.
My main problem with the revamp is the tails looking so passive. It reminds me of my dog Buffy when she's scared or has a dingleberry stuck on her butt. [User=HoleWeet]'s changes look great!
I agree with much of what's been said already (tails in front of the body, the way the neck is craned, the changed expression). I also think the bulging skin around the cheek spikes is weird, like it's too much detail for such a small feature.
I didn't have a major problem with the hooves as they are, but I do love the smaller hooves in 's version. The smaller size makes them look less like horse hooves and more goat-like or demonic, which I think is more suitable for the Darkonite.
I hate to sound mean, but...can you guys please revamp the Darkonite already and stop proposing revamp polls? There are other species that need to be revamped just as badly as the Darkonite, yet we continue to focus on the Darkonite revamp. Revamp the Darkonite, then move on to another species that needs it.
The tails cannot go in front of the body.
Also hot damn was there no nuclear dillema?
The darko's right hind leg is gigantic, but other than that I like it. If I were to pick another thing to complain about it'd be that it seems to have lost some sass - this one's just smiling nicely, a little more of the old anger would be nice to see. But yeah wicked style and shading and stuff, looks waaay better than the last revamp proposition
Darkonites have always been a favourite species of mine! I own an angelic one and I love the new pose! But the tails down make the lower part of the drawing a bit confusing. Maybe put the tails up? c:
HoleWeet* Sorry about that.. but I do like his idea :3!
I really like Holesweet's version.. and yes I do prefer the tails up for the Darkonite.. also think that the darkonite should sit down ; great oise :D
I like the old Darkonite pose with the new art.
I like the fact the new Darkonite has kept a sense of mischief in his/her face, but I do agree with the comments about the tail - I think an 'up' tail is more in-keeping with the critter's personality. Scruffy and proud!
I like the revamp!
Aw yes Darkonite revamp! Please don't complain about it being cute. I have a Bloodred, Reborn and Galactic Darkonite...And they all look cute. >_> I also love the tails down, finally something less overused.
I like the Darkonite pose, but not the facial expression. Too "cute"
I prefer the old darkonite. And I don't understand how there can be so many votes for the new one, there aren't that many people on subeta!
The darkonite revamp is not bad, but the tail could be raised, the head could crack a bit more and show the brain a bit, and a more devious expression could be shown. I'm fine with the smiling on the glade darkonite, but not the original.
I agree with what Turokai said. Darkonite just isn't the same anymore if it looks happy.
Glad my Darkonite's a Glade and not likely to be affected by the changes, though I'm saving the art to Photobucket just in case. This new one looks way too docile and happy. The tails are lost against the leg, it has no brains, and the upturned mouth is wrong for a zapper-created pet with an evil reputation.
Huge fan of the new darkonite; most of the people (not all) who are complaining about the new Darko don't even have a darkonite.
I love his new personality, kind of shy almost. Like a zapper/lab animal would be.
Plus the art is BEAUTIFUL. It looks more feline now, little paws and chubby middle. That's good though. Makes it look more realistic. The tail is difficult to see though, I don't think it should be over it's back really, but maybe lightened a little? Or shaded differently. Just to make it more visible. Not moved 'up'.
Great job artists! ❤️
For the first time in foreverrrrrrrrrr I voted for the newwwwwww. Although I do agree with a lot of what has been said, the tail should be up. Having it swept around the body almost makes it invisible.
Love the art of the new darko, but like most people, I think it might look better with its tail up, and some brain showing?
I like the more 3Dishness of the darkonite revamp option, but I'd say it's missing brain pieces, the scowl, and they definitely seem like tail-up characters.
Awesome update on the Dillema and the Darkonite I like as well.
I wish the new one showed a little bit more of its brains, because they are almost completely hidden unlike in the older version.
The remake has some major issues with the pose and silhouette that the original pulled off better. Most notable are the tails, which can be a great element to the rest of the compact body, but in the new version they are clumped together and the way they are positioned on the back leg makes the leg look fat an indefinite in volume in silhouette. Overall the pose looks a bland and lacks character, and the side perspective forces the body parts to be clumped together.
The overall rendering is fine, though I would add a bit more contrast with the shading. The overall look of the bone colored parts is great. Also a nit picky thing, I don't like how where the spikes meet the side of the face are super highlighted into circle/sockets.
I might sound a little mean about this because I love the darkonite so much. Also I feel many of the recent revamps are following a trend where the pets are nicely rendered but lack the much of the exaggeration and character of the earlier versions.
The Dillemas look great and I have no qualms about them.
Maybe I'm just used to a smiling Darkonite because mine is Graveyard (At least it looks like it's smiling to me in GY), but the expression doesn't really bother me as much as others. I know I do not like the pulled in tail. C'mon, that's a sign of submission with animals! And Darkonites are in now way submissive (unless you write your pet that way, like I did with mine :P) As for the art as art, I love the shading and detailing! It's a definite improvement over the last proposed design. So all in all, I'm pretty torn on whether to vote yay or nay.
The Dillema is perfection as always. I hadn't even noticed there are other species available on this site. :D
Better than last one, still not quite getting the "look". It looks too docile and boring. Sure, it's artistically far superior but we are talking about a pet, for some people they have personality, not just a pretty image. Also, why hide the tail (mess of a red-black) and what happened with its legs/paws? Sorry, still prefer the original, with it's annoyed stare.
OMG! THAT DARKONITE! It is FAAAABULOUS!!! I seriously hope this version gets voted in! Omg. So. Much. Love. ❤ ❤ heart:
Wow at first glance I guess I didn't realize how different the dilemma is! Jeeze it really needed updating. Great work.
Still not on board with the darkonite revamp. I think my main issue is the pose change, as we can't see the brain bit anymore. I also liked the tails being up, as you can see them better, as well as the legs. And the grumpy facial expression.
As for the dillema, the revamp is subtle, but nicely done. Extra shading/coloring, plumper right arm, and bigger left eye are very good. But the best are the pins on the head. Now you know that they are pins!
Why are the tails down? Seriously, was that a huge complaint last time? I loved the tails being up, they've always been up, why change that? Are you trying to hide the legs for some reason? The other problem is, most pets do a pretty good filling up the square they're drawn in and with the tails down, there's a huge void in the image and don't tell me there isn't enough room for them because clearly, there is.
I'm also having a problem with how neutral it looks, even, dare I say, passive. Before, it had attitude, it looked angry and as a pet you can only get via zapping, I think it should stay angry. Hooboy, and I just noticed that hip... I know I said before that it seemed to go to no where and people complained about that but now it looks kind of crammed in there, and with this pose, a straighter line would have worked better. Everything else, however, I'm pretty okay with. I'm glad to see the dark marking, the black eyes and the big tails back and that it's not as sleek as before. Paws look a little small, especially when you compare it to the Hikei's--
--limbs that it apparently switched with the Darkonite at birth. (Seriously, was there a canon reason for this or an in-joke of some kind?)
Still, if only one thing is to be changed, I'd like it to be the tails. They need to be up. They need to fill that void.
Not sure what I think of the Darkonite revamp... but it looks far better than the first revamp proposals, at the very least. It's kind of cute, actually, just not sure if the "spirit" seems right.
I like it but the right cheek looks weird, like the horns are some pimples waiting to be pop o-o; And I liked that the brain showed a bit but it's lacking in expression, it doesn't suit the species, but that's just my opinion
i am on team- like it more than the old one but keep the tail up and give it's expression that wicked grump back. :) than it's perfect.
ah yesss i love this new darkonite WAY better than the last revamp proposal!!
The original darkonite was an ugly scraggly ragamuffin... but I think that's why certain people liked them. The new revamp is very nice although I think tail up really would add some flair and more of the original personality.
And as always, this is what overlays are for. Most people change their pets from the original anyways (at least in some way) so it doesn't really matter much... Subeta isn't like a lot of other sites that keep you stuck with whatever art they want to throw at your computer screen. We have the freedom to COMPLETELY alter our pets beyond the point of recognition if we so choose, which I believe, is invaluable and a great example of the respect subeta gives us as users. Not only in our opinions, but also in our creativity.
I meant to add, I have a Nightmare Darkonite that I will be extremely unhappy with if it suddenly becomes cute and appears to be even slightly happy....just sayin.
Just because other items are being redrawn and tons of site changes are taking place, some things don't need to be "fixed". It's a Darkonite. To me that says it's dark (of course), possibly angry (or disgruntled, as another player said), with a touch of wickedness/evil among other characteristics. I rather like the old one....while the new one (to me) presents an impression of being nice.
i like the new style, but i think the back legs and tails are lacking. HoleWeet's redraw is basically perfect though!!
I'm happy about this revamp for the Darkonite but I agree that the tails need to be moved and that it needs to be less rounded or at least not demure, as others have put it.
Mostly the tails though.