I love that this is such a thinktank conversation - so many perspectives coming together and bouncing ideas around.

After reading all the input, it seems like a good option would potentially be to offer additional CS or MC slots at a higher price.

I'm not sure how it would work out coding wise, but the idea would be that once you bought X amount the cost increased (kinda like how the MC is now). So once you maxed out the 55 CS slots, the next 5 would cost 2k or 2.5k each (vs 1.5k). When you maxed out the MC slots, instead of repeating a cycle of 20m - 100m the next 5 would be 120m - 200m.

This would bring money into the site by increasing CSC purchases for pet slots (and possibly to sell for sP for the MC slots) and would give players who cannot spend money on the site the opportunity to attain these things.

The downside there for some people cough cough would probably be that they would speed run the slots and then want more lol. Alas, tis the curse of us pet people. ;)

YOU WOULD ACCUSE ME OF SUCH BLASPHEMY??

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That's already how it works!

It's 20-40-60-80-100, then 120-140-160-180-200, and it flips back to 20-40-60-80-100!

I prefer flat fee for the Cash Shop, though. If the fee needs to be raised, it's fine, but I'm not a huge fan of raising it after a certain number of purchases. Nothing else on the site works this way.

So what I had been picturing from what Soren and I were discussing originally is the idea that the subscription/additional slots would be something like a stopgap while the pet storage idea is still a work in progress. I have absolutely no idea how long something like that would take to finalize and I know that there is a lot that needs to be done on the site, so I've just been sort of assuming it's going to be on the backburner for a while. I really struggle to get myself into a mindset of waiting for things to be optimized because Subeta pets are basically one of my biggest passions in life, it's been a very long time since the slot cap was upped, and I've gotten the impression that it's very unlikely to be raised again until the issue is fixed, so I'm more prone to just feeling grumpy about how rarely I can get new pets without having to change an existing one.

My impression from what I've heard, and maybe I'm not understanding right, but it's that the reason the pet slot cap cannot be raised is that pets are such a burden on the site, and the pet storage system is the fix, so theoretically we would get an increased pet slot cap once the pet storage system is finished. (... Aaand now that I'm thinking about this more, I'm realizing that that was pretty much wishful thinking and I don't think I really based this idea off anything solid?)

I think the proposal of such a high-cost subscription idea was more because we were thinking about approaching this from a 'we need to be sure any additional strain on the servers would be worth it' mindset. Any form of addition slot cap raise would be great! We were just thinking of the idea of a continuous way for the site to get that additional money in at the cost of the additional strain of one additional pet per user who had that tier per payment, and in a way that isn't like... "okay, here's 5 more slots you can buy immediately!" and then possibly nothing else to entice people like me to purchase a large amount of CSC for a year, depending on what happens.

It also partly comes from thinking about higher subscription tiers in general. I've kept up the $15/month plan for as long as I can remember pretty much solely because I want to support the site. I always forget that buddy gold accounts exist and I have never used any custom wearable vouchers (I'm apparently up to 147 now!) so I don't really get many personal benefits that I do anything with from this tier of subscription compared to the next one down. The idea of a higher-cost subscription plan with a benefit that I actually care about is pretty nice to think about lol.

The reason we were talking about increased prices is because.. okay, so the biggest reason is that this topic was mostly a result of Soren and I going on and on to each other on Discord about how insane we are about pixel pets and how we would spend Big Money on pet slots if only we were allowed to. We've pretty much been talking about our pets nonstop for several days and we also really love crying about pets we want. (':

But my thought process is basically: if the pet slot cap cannot be raised right now and the main reason is that our pet armies are a burden on the servers, then I would think that means that currently the amount of CSC we pay for a slot and what money that CSC, if purchased, earns the site isn't enough to justify allowing users like me to have more pets. So in that case, if the fix for the pet slot burden isn't done yet, then I would think it's not viable to just let us get more pet slots at the price they are now.

We used $50 as an idea mostly because it used to cost something like $60 for a pet slot years ago, and honestly one of the main things I'd personally like an answer to here is "would it be possible for the pet slot limit to be raised if it would theoretically be earning the site money, or are pets really such a burden on the servers?"

I'm realizing that I misrepresented something in my original reply here. Because I am delusional about what the pet storage idea could mean for the pet slot cap, I wasn't actually ever envisioning an idea like this as something like super special pet slots that no one else would ever be able to have. I'm pretty sure I missed out on a pet slot or two at some point, and the idea that I have forever missed out on something like that kills me inside. I certainly don't want anyone to be forever "locked out" of certain pet slots due to real-life financial constraints.

I personally had been picturing this as something more like a way for people who are able and willing to spend the money or CSC to get "early access" to the higher pet slot cap that would theoretically be available to everyone once the pet storage system is finished. The idea of the higher cost is to potentially make it monetarily worth it for the site, since Subeta could always use extra money coming in.

Ah okay I was like "wait I think I paid that much before" lol. In which case MC round could jump to 220m - 300m? I hear you on the CS cost, but I think raising the fee across the board makes it a lot harder for folks to attain pets - so that there's a chance of having pets - . I don't think that's necessary or fair. Since the MC already operates on a rising scale cost I don't see why the CS can't.

To 's point - I think the idea of the subscription is a good one, but I also agree with the F2P concerns others have raised. What if, just as a new DP rotation happens on the 1st, a new MC slot dropped? This would only apply to the slots above , which would be a higher cost. This would encourage monthly pay to the site and enable the site to have an easy "cut off". Each month they would be able to see how many people are using the option, how much money is coming in because of it, etc.

bahaha I dare because I too am crazy and want all the slots and all the pets. I'm only at 70 atm though and limited on financial contribution which is probably a good thing xD xD

This is the best news I've heard all week/month/year 🥳

god is real. crops? watered. skin? moisturized. my soul has left my body. I am ascending to a new plane of existence. did you hear that scream just now? it was me, from the mountaintops. hello.

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Oh cool!! I'm not surprised it's the battle pets that are causing the issue; that we already knew from not this past Gelatin war but the previous one. That's why I've been keeping and tracking my records in an online google spreadsheet, so I don't have to go to my records page on here if I can help it.

Can I say that this answer is better than the best case scenario I envisaged! Thank you very much!

Thank you for this, I'm so glad this was finally cleared up. The last thread and convo people were having about this, people were getting really aggressive to each other over the ethics of having pets on a pet site. 🙃

so..................................... how massive are we talking

because I just checked my list of pets I want to own one day and it's currently at 236 unique species/color combos 👀 (for the record, I'd be happy if I only got a single new slot lmao, please do not take me that seriously when I say that I want 236 more pet slots)

Own everything, regret nothing.

I'd love to own experiments but the fact they're limited to three colors (one of them being a joke color) is stopping me. Give me lots more slots and we might be talking.

Gosh I love the idea of more slots being added. I haven’t hit the cap myself but I’m all for more pets. It’s the primary reason I’m on the site after all. ^^

you are so wild loooool

Hey, you remember how we were acting around name clearings years ago? That was pure insanity!

Now, the only thing stopping us from having more pets is the lack of slots. ;)

Not our fault there's so many excellent pets to be had =p

(It IS my fault that I have a lot of unfinished characters lying around, though)

I don't have nearly as many pets as some of the folks here, and I doubt I'll ever reach that high - maybe 50, I'm sitting at 40 with tentative plans for 3 more - but it's good to know that the pets themselves aren't a huge burden.

This topic is all about bringing attention to how intense some of us pet people are! Soren and I both would own 250+ pets if given the opportunity, and an exact quote from me from the other day is "give me the opportunity to spend $1000 on 10 pet slots and see what happens I fucking dare you" lol. (Disclaimer that no I do not especially want to actually spend that much money on just 10 pet slots but it is not an exaggeration of how much I would be willing to spend.) Pet slots are serious business and I don't think people know how serious my "forever on a quest for more pets" title is.

I already bought some CSC out of impulsive excitement at this topic, now I'm just waiting to see where things go from here and how long it ends up lasting me haha. I am so ready to finally get below 1bil sP again if the MC slot cap is raised again, too. The cap being raised one day is seriously the most exciting thing I've heard in a long time!