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Nov 18, 2022 3 years ago
The Royal
demon
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i'm suspecting the discord. honestly not too impressed that things are being shown on the discord before the main game. not a fan of joining an off site discord since i have seen how hideous others can be to others. count me out on that shit.

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Nov 18, 2022 3 years ago
Rakumel
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I'm in the Discord and there's been no mention of any new Subeta currency there that I've seen, though it gets very active at times and it's entirely possible I just missed it. I've also not seen any news posted there super early, for that matter. It's literally just another chat room, you're not missing anything by not joining.

Now then, ? Where exactly did you see this currency mentioned, again?

Nov 18, 2022 3 years ago
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Sucre

(sorry for the barrage of pings) I think might be referring to this post from the first page (bolding mine)

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An ❗ ENTIRELY HYPOTHETICAL CHANGE ❗could be something like:</p>
<ul>
<li>Reduce the number of items that are given as prizes from quests</li>
<li>Create unique pools for each of the vending machines, remove those items from restocking or quest prize pools (and potentially shift them to needing some kind of special currency you get from quests, or just more sP)</li>
<li>Generate a recycle beast request per user (or per user group, like we split up for morostide), that gives more recycle beast points with a cap per day</li>
<li>Remove fragging entirely and have those prizes come from elsewhere</li>
</ul>
<p>❗ AGAIN, I HAVE NOT WRITTEN A SINGLE LINE OF CODE FOR THE ABOVE ❗ but that is just an example of large ways that we can tweak the site to make less items flying out of the ether only to be fragged later.

Nov 18, 2022 3 years ago
METROID
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Havoc

We already have quest points as currency. I don’t want more currencies because it just becomes a pain. I would just try balancing other aspects of the game first and if they don’t work then you go from there. I still think fixing the shops stock for example is at least a starting place. We have more items on this site than users x2 at least.

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Nov 18, 2022 3 years ago
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Aether

Thank you! I think I read that before but forgot about it. I hope this doesn't happen ;;

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Nov 18, 2022 3 years ago
Rakumel
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No worries on the pings! (they didn't bother me, in any case).

Anyway, thank you for pulling up what I missed. ^^; If that's where it came from, I'm not going to worry about it too much then.

Nov 18, 2022 3 years ago
The Royal
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thanks for the heads up, and ! I had forgotten that post since it was so long ago. Nowadays I just assume that anything new that springs up comes from the discord

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Nov 19, 2022 3 years ago
The Plushie Collector
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It's been nearly a month of having this buying slow down implemented... if anything, it's only gotten more annoying. I get the concern with the auto-pricing and people snapping up items, but I run into this issue while just questing. Forget doing something like the Autumn Dragon.

In addition, I am someone who sometimes buys lowly priced items. There are a lot of rare items that are just priced too low for their rarity. To clarify, I am not setting my prices low in an effort to rip off those who use the AP. I'm just fixing items whose prices have massively deflated through the course of the slow economy. If I find a rarity 80 item selling for 3k, I'm going to buy it up and try to restore it to a better price... but now that's horribly time consuming, having to start and stop and start and stop. However, without some price fixing, won't these items just continue to deflate since we don't have near enough users?

Like others have mentioned, this seven item block seems to fix one thing by making worse several others.

Also I know I'm late to the discussion. I'm normally very satisfied being a ghost (I'm not sure if I've really posted in the last five years) but, like I mentioned, this issue has been grating me and I wanted to share my opinion.

Nov 21, 2022 3 years ago
Paradise
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Judgement

Hiya. Any chance this topic will be addressed at all by staff? With Fireside here, we once again have an achievement that requires having hoarded items during the year OR buying up lots of items now i.e. Donate 5000 foods to Charity. With this new wait timer, it has become increasingly difficult and time consuming to do this. Additionally, currencies still take ages upon ages to buy.

It would be great if staff could fix this by implementing some of the great suggestions in this thread or at least lift the wait time for the holiday… This is so tedious.

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Nov 21, 2022 3 years ago Official
Star Captain
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SailorButtress

I'm bringing this topic back up to Keith as well as mentioning the player feedback in this thread (no more currencies, for instance, please), and asking for more information on his answer. If, for instance, it's helping server load or database speed, I want to be able to share that with y'all.

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Nov 26, 2022 3 years ago
The Helper
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Meridia

Gosh… I hate to say this, but the longer we have to put up with this, the more it feels like we’re just getting empty promises for a change that’s never gonna happen, ya know? Like, if this is truly it and there’s no intentions for the limit to be lifted or increased whatsoever, I wish we could just be told so. Some disappointing closure is better than waiting with hope that get more and more bitter as time goes on. That’s how I feel, anyways.

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Nov 28, 2022 3 years ago
The Cursed
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September 22nd, Keith: 'I'm going to continue tweaking the numbers' October 7th, Galaxia: 'However, he is going to tweak the settings on the timer a bit and we hope that can improve the user experience.' November 20th, Galaxia: 'I'm bringing this topic back up to Keith'

Fireside is almost over. It's been over 2 months of this. It's clear almost everyone hates this. It's solved none of the problems it was meant to. It's created new problems. It's been promised to be looked at/changed/removed several times. And yet... Nothing has changed. This is becoming absurd and quite frankly insulting. How long would this take to change? It can't be more than 3 lines of code, just delete it and try again later when you've really looked at the numbers and put proper thought into it instead of some hastily thrown together stopgap.

October 7th, Galaxia: 'and we don't want to act hastily.' Not when it comes to fixing problems no. (Weekend quest issue also still isn't fixed, 3 weeks later) But creating them? Like the Flash... (Mostly Keith, since I know Galaxia is trying.) Can we please get something of substance here? Making a mistake is one thing, but refusing to admit it was a mistake and stubbornly continuing into a brick wall is another....

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Nov 28, 2022 3 years ago
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Havoc

I pretty much assume nothing will get done about this cause what's decided is done and we just have to deal with it. =/

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Nov 28, 2022 3 years ago
The Cursed
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I really hope that's not the case, but that'd be incredibly insulting. And scummy. And wrong. And many other words I won't use... :x

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Nov 28, 2022 3 years ago Official
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We're still looking over the suggestions and working on which ones would be feasible.

One of the issues with retiring some items from shops but still keeping some doesn’t really work, they just inflate. This would be especially true with, say, books or food. Plushies might also become very expensive especially once people realize there aren't more going out. Clearing shops more often might also have this issue and making questing harder/more expensive. Amber has the historical data and I'm asking her now how, for instance, retiring some rarities more than others might work, but it's delicate.

What's really needed for root cause is a revamp of how rarity and quests work overall, and that is something that has been drafted! For those who were doing battle tagging, for instance, you might have noticed that the rarity system on it looked different than the one currently used. That is because there is some back-end implementation in place. HOWEVER, it would not be a simple undertaking to actually roll it out. It would be something requiring a lot of time, follow-up, and reporting, and tweaking programming as needed, along with users adapting to a completely new system, and is definitely not something we'd be deploying around a holiday and, like I said, not something we want to be hasty on. It would also require more coding in general and Keith's day job is particularly busy right now. It wouldn't be fair or practical to users to do something completely new without all hands on, and in the meantime patches to the system bring their own problems.

As I mentioned in my previous paragraph, we are still working on this! Alterations to quests are also being discussed as part of the root cause fix, but we want to keep the continuity between intuitive use plus fun and practicality in any change and that is hard. This is not something we're ignoring, or leaving be out of malice or apathy. Trying to manage site items and economy is just a very vast undertaking with lots of ripple effects; 'move fast and break things' may be a favorite saying of Mark Zuckerberg, but it's not a philosophy staff likes because we really do value your experience and people having fun. We just need to figure out the best way to do it.

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Nov 28, 2022 3 years ago
Avel
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NVLB

I respect the fact that things are in the works but Subeta doesn't have the best track record with getting any projects out in a timely manner. The longer term solutions doesn't mean much right now when this current short term solution is really affecting player experience right now.

We're going be stuck with 7 items for months, maybe years based on history.

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Nov 28, 2022 3 years ago
Paradise
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Judgement

Really appreciate this follow up post and your reply detailing all the things that staff are working on and juggling while trying to think of a better way to combat this economy issue. I think it’s safe to say, we all appreciate how hard you guys work and that this balance isn’t easy.

But I think the bottom line that we’re trying to get across is that, clearly this process is going to take awhile and we understand that. In the meantime, we’re asking if you can turn this 7 item limit timer off? It’s just not the proper solution to this issue and it’s frustrating to boot. And it seems like Keith is too busy to make adjustments to it. It’s been two months and nothing has changed.

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Nov 28, 2022 3 years ago
The Cursed
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I understand that it takes time and all that. But coming up with a proper fix could take months if not years. In the meantime, could this wait time be removed? Cause it's clearly not working and having undesirable effects. I'm all for experimenting, but if experimenting means doing something and then sticking with it no matter how many users hate it, Ima be against it...

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It wouldn&;t be fair or practical to users to do something completely new without all hands on, and in the meantime patches to the system bring their own problems.
This right here is exactly why it should be removed now. It's new, thrown out with little thought and there's no time to really manage it (clearly). And it's created problems. So why not just remove it for now? And add it back later, tweaked, alongside other things. Though hopefully the other things will make it unnecessary...

Edit: also I agree with Paradise's words of praise to you, Galaxia.

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Nov 28, 2022 3 years ago Official
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This was implemented with thought; Keith looked at various factors to conclude it was needed, including how protracted buying sprees affected the database. It was also chosen because it could be changed more easily than, say, unretiring items or fixing a quest back if something did more harm than good.

An adjustment has just been pushed, in terms of time and items! Please let us know if that helps.

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Nov 29, 2022 3 years ago
The Cursed
Ziorac
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If you say so, I'll take your word for it.

I can already say this change definitely helps. :)

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