Yeah, many people have left neo because of overly competitive restocking. I think a good chunk of Subeta users came from over there, so maybe they might be able to give some insight on whether this change is a good idea.

Ya'll should see this!

If the Restocking is super Competitive it will always go to the ones with the faster computer.... not fun at all. I used to do this even on Subeta and yeah, the excitement is there, but its super disappointing when you absolutely have no way into buying stuff and stuff is already super high as it is. Like, Potions already are super super expensive to those who Don't restock or do market stuff might have a harder time getting items they need. I admit that I had to sell some CSC cards/items to get the sP I have now cause i cant catch up with things and id have to learn the market value on everything again.. but what ever floats peoples boats I guess, that's how the market is sometimes.

I dunno, im just one person with the, Go with the flow kinda tude, but that's just me I guess?

Definitely hate competitive restocking. It's the main reason I left Neopets. I could never make a profit and it was super stressful.

I think the only items that are going to be more competitive are epic or legendary items.

The rarer items should be something you have to work for, not prance into whatever shop you want and just pick them up at your leisure. That's one of the reasons the economy is in the state it's in, the market is flooded with rares and superrares, making them worthless. When things are rarer they sell for more money, so when you do actually restock something great, you know you'll be able to get a great return on it. I want to feel the excitement that I used to when I restock a very rare item, right now it's boring.

I'm sorry but here we go again with the "Someone has a faster connection then me", my connection is not that fast, it's not slow either but I don't sit around when someone else grabs an item before me and complain they have a faster connection. It isn't anyone else's fault if you have a slower internet, that's life. Personally, I'm thankful I have internet, there are a lot of people who don't.

Also we don't even know what these restocking changes are going to be yet for sure, they may not be competitive at all, Keith never said that they would be, my interpretation is that some of them would be but I don't know for sure.

I like what I see so far, except the shops restocking on certain days, I'm not sure I like that one, maybe there's a good reason for it. We'll see.

I had a feeling someone who did Neopets would mention this!

Hopefully only the rarer items are competitive. But for someone who likes to collect potions for future pets, that's a bit concerning.

If staff isn't careful we may have a similarity to the backlash from this year's survival or the wardrobe disaster. I mentioned the potential changes in the sb last night and saw quite a few responses that weren't too positive towards those ideas, especially the competitive restocking.

Wasn't there another site called Gaia that went down due to a crazy economy? Mainly people being unable to afford certain items for some reason or another? I need to know the specifics because their failures might serve as a warning of what NOT to do when changing a site's economy....

And yeah, restocking on certain days might be bad considering the current state of our servers. The site might be nearly unplayable because people are trying to get items from a specific shop.....

@ PiplupMagby34

I think alot of people took my opinion that I posted about wanting competitive restocking and took it and ran with it.

I don't think restocking on Subeta will ever be as bad as say, Neopets. We never could restock on neopets not because everyone else had faster connections but because 99% were bought up by autobuyers. It was completely inorganic. Subeta does a much better job at finding and getting rid of autobuyers here. Although there is someone I encountered recently that had an unnatural amount of items that were just released (7 superrares of the same item days after it was released) they are either the worlds best restocker or they have an autobuyer.

Things like potions are very wanted items, they shouldn't be given out like candy, that's what restockers are for is to put in the effort and time to restock these things so others who don't want to put in the effort can buy them and yes, you pay more for that. I'm not going to spend hours restocking just to give something away for a pittance because someone else doesn't want to put in the same effort. There are battle challengers that I still can't beat but others have, should I start complaining it isn't fair and demand all the battle prizes be put into a shop for 30sP because I can't beat the challengers myself and I really want the prizes? Keith also said that they would look into getting potions out in other ways like questing and what not.

I guess I just don't understand why people wouldn't be thrilled to know that items are going to be worth more money, that you are going to be able to make more money to afford the things you want. People only see, "oh, no, I won't be able to restock a legendary item", they don't see the part that when they quest or restock normal items that those items are going to be worth more, they're going to sell for more, they'll make more money, money to buy all the potions their hearts desire. I don't understand why people don't see this.

If someone put an oracle staff in the donation center and you were able to grab it, don't lie and say you wouldn't be absolutely giddy because you could sell it for a 5 billion sP, I know you would.

That's what I'm talking about when I say competitive restocking, the thrill of getting something you know you can sell for a good amount and the giddiness that comes from knowing that. I'm not talking about the completely unnatural buying that was going on at places like neopets. I'm confidant that won't be the case here.

EDIT: After reading back my post, I feel like I'm coming across as really combative, I don't mean it that way though.

i'm excited to see revamps like this. i've never really paid much attention to the lower rarities as they never seemed that logical to me, they seemed almost haphazard, so it'll be awesome for them to get an overhaul and actually mean something. so a big 👍 from me. good work and good luck getting these changes implemented smoothly ❤

also, heehee yes for the "squish" XD squishies

What will happen with the "High Rarity Grabber!" achievement? Will you be retiring this one or revamping it in some way?

Something I just thought of, but I'm wondering how this will affect restocking shops that are only open temporarily during events, such as Migrating Masks and the Freyalise.

These shops are usually only open for around two weeks (give or take), so having special restocks only a few days a week doesn't seem like it would work all that well? Or maybe I'm not entirely understanding how the new system is meant to work.

I'm not sure what the timeline is for rolling this out, but it seems like something worth addressing with Keel Hauliday coming up only two months from now.

Very interesting I myself can't wait to see what things will look like and looking forward to it I believe, not too sure though.

thank you so much ,xx

I think restocking less often wouldn't bother me, i can understand that, it's the "different days" that i think will be a problem. i like random restocks throughout the day, rather than having to be in a specific place at a specific time (with half of subeta waiting with me) and having to wait for days if you miss what you're after.

That will definitely impact questing, too. half the quests i finish are because i find the item cheaper in an NPC shop than i would pay for it in a user shop. getting an otherwise 30k item for 2-5k instead means completing a quest instead of quitting it. (Sagittarius not counted because he's a high-maintenance jerk anyway)

Love your HA!

And uh oh, what did Saggi do to you for this bitterness to appear? ;)

But seriously, I'm worried that I might have to quit quests more often with the new system. I don't think we need another item hunt...

Speaking of, how will item hunt be revamped?

Oh cool, so some of my stuff might actually be rare XD I can dig it, looking forward to it!

Full disclosure about how I play the site:

I'm one of those people who is busy with life stuff but can occasionally spend ~30 min on this site for questing and get ~1 mil SP just for clicking through stuff. By doing that every so often I can pretty much ensure I can buy most items I want that aren't CSC based, for example when the SBQ is open I can pick something I marked as on my wishlist out of the stock whenever the timer allows without having to worry about potentially wasting SP I might otherwise spend on something else. If I want something more expensive (~10+ mil) I can do quests every day for a couple weeks or sell a couple of the older event items in my vault (that I would otherwise hoard) to speed things up. All this allows me to have a good supply of wardrobe items that I can use to create HAs that I like and that are the main reason I'm active on the site these days, or occasionally go for item-based achievements that I think would suit my HA and/or my username/personal theme on here. If I can't do that anymore due to changes in questing that prevent me from finishing each one (for example, I sometimes will see it's close to midnight and do my Wizard quests because, why not, I like being able to buy things I like in a Token Shop), I would probably only bother to visit the Bathouse each day, if that. I'm too busy with my life to devote a lot of energy to this site, but being able to come back every so often and gain SP and stuff, plus of course spend more time grinding user interactions in events(Kiss the User Above You, stuff like that) means that once things clear up or I am interested again, I can just spend more time interacting without disrupting my usual play style. I look forward to times I have more freedom from college/mental health issues and I can get involved in playing and chatting and socializing, the latter unfortunately not as easy when I can't guarantee I'll be active enough to sustain friendships on here. But I'm getting beside the point.

I'm not the user this site should cater to. I'm not an active player, I only really buy CSC once or twice a year (if the bathhouse does not provide enough by Black Friday for the items I want), and I don't have the free time or solvency to make subscription worth it (for the amount of time I play-- I totally see it as a thing I'd like to try someday).

I think if this site became more game-y instead of social-y, I'd feel like I was "losing" if I could not be active enough to obtain rare items that I'm used to being able to get in the way I described above, just by farming SP. Unless I had the time to really get into playing, as others have said, "competitively", I would lose interest in even trying and probably eventually the site entirely. In a way that might happen regardless, for reasons I described above, but now I worry I might be "driven out" completely by not having things as easy. It's happened with most modern petsites I've played; in a way Neopets is one of the few I stick with but that's because I already know there's no hope of being "higher-tier" as a player so I mostly edit my petpages and keep to myself, and do the dailies to keep afloat. So IDK I guess that's a thing that I do on any petsite, but not having even that would make me feel like it wasn't worth my time.

Anyway, I actually really love that Subeta is getting new life with the new subscriptions and streamlining things and I hope that this will help keep it afloat when I was kind of worried it might decline and fade into a dead site completely. I'm super glad that work is being done to make it modernized and more attractive to new users and I think it would be cool if it does become more game-y for people who like that sort of thing! I think a Subeta revival would be a great thing, there is so much potential and I'm glad to see these things are being addressed so Subeta does not become a dead site! And like I said, I'm not really the type of player that it would be best to cater to, because I don't really do anything to support the site or the community. I just wanted to give some perspective about why some of these changes might make the site less welcoming for people who are used to things being "boring" and easy. And maybe I could learn to enjoy the site as it becomes! I'm definitely all for trying and revamps always stir things up. I'm interested in seeing both staff and players be invested in keeping the site alive. I'm really not trying to moan or whine about it, but I wanted to share a real-life example about how some users might be affected by these changes.

One other semi related thing I'd like to say is that it would suck to have to clickwar for 2(!) rare items per Wednesday, for example, and I'm surprised at the reaction to what I assumed would be the obvious point of view that it would be difficult for people with slower internet. Maybe if the amount of items available was scaled to the amount of users I'd feel more confident about it. Not to mention the potential lag that this site already has issues with. What if the site freezes up because 3 of a rare item is in stock at one of the main shops? I'd feel better about it if maybe it was time based but not in a competitive way, like maybe the item appearance/spawning is user based and if you can catch it within a minute you get it but it's random when a user opens a shop window (not every refresh though- I can see where that would also cause problems. Maybe with a cooldown?) so it's a matter of luck/rarity/frequency-of-appearance and in a way reaction time but not who has the fastest connection/whose computer beats whose? Also in a way an incentive to be active because the more often you check shops the more chances to find something good.That would be a cool way to enforce rarities with less frustration. But again, I'm not really active here enough to have a stake in this, and IDK the inner workings of Subeta so who knows if this would work.

Sorry, I wanted to give my honest perspective but that got kind of long.

What suggests is similar to one of the 'event dailies' Neopets has. The toolbar event that happens randomly at a certain time during the day. Everyone who catches it within a certain timeframe gets a good item, those who come after that timeframe catches the npc 'leaving' and gets a lesser random item that it 'dropped'. Until the event ends a few minutes later. Could that concept be implemented here somehow?

I think that the main problem with your premise is that while I can't tell the difference between a r5 and an r75

I think there is an apperciable difference between an 80 and a 95, and between an 95 and a 99.

Just based on what your saying it sounds like it will be interesting, but I'm wondering if 5 was maybe too big of a cut.

I think you are probably being too restrictive of r5 if your limiting it to less than 100 items. Part of what would give r5 items value would be the increased rarity by having a larger pool of them. Also with a pool that small, over time even adding 1 item to the r5 pool might double the rarity overnight of another item if the number of items in a shop that stock is small.

And to me it seems like Potions would probably be better at r4 than r5. I'm guessing (and maybe i'm wrong here) the your goal is to let r5 items become expensive, and people seem to start to get antsy when potions creep above 20mil. So if you want to let a small number of items get more expensive, putting items that you want to maintain a relatively fixed price, might not be the best items to put in the rarest category.

If r5s end up around the 20mil price point, thats not a huge feeling of value, 5$ gets me 45mil. So the super rare Legendary items are saving me about 2.25$? When a CW would cost you 7$.

Restocking still won't have a sense of value if you need to get 3 incredibly rare r5s to get a single CW

What's going to happen with the Discount Cards? Personally I'm going to be very miffed if they end up being useless at the end of this, since none of them are easy or cheap to get.

Really excited for this, actually. I'm glad you're working on refreshing and revamping the site in places like this, I've lost a lot of interest lately and want to get back into it.

yes, I saw it last night on FB. Not sure how I feel about it. I mean, I get how screwed up rarities are. Most 99's are stupid cheap because of the lizard RE, which kinda defeats the purpose of the rarity. But limiting r5 bums me out. I like to collect too. Especially for my wardrobe. I guess we'll wait and see.