"You currently have ___ sP! You are the ___ richest user on Subeta."

I would dislike it if I could no longer access this from my dashboard, and I'm really unconvinced that removing the Richest User achievement would have any impact on the economy at all. People "hoard" sP because it makes sense to save the game currency. No support.

I personally dislike the top 1 percent idea as I just like knowing my number. Leave as is or add the top 1 percent without taking away the number.

Given that this is supposed to be a kid's site, I'd think that it would be a good idea to retire this title.

Subeta's never really been a kid's site though... It's been technically PG-13 for as long as I can remember, but usually leaning more to the adult side of that even.

I've never thought of Subeta as a kid's site (other pet sites, sure). Subeta's been PG-13 for as long as I've been here and I believe a majority of the user-base are adults, or joined when they were a teenager and are now adults. 13 is part of the teenage years, albeit the young end, but at that age you've moved past the kid oriented stuff. And this achievement shouldn't be removed, just because there are kids on here, that's not really a valid reason (in my eyes), If staff start removing things because its a kid's site, where/when do you draw the line?

while we are at it lets get rid of the whiskey and lingerie because its a kid site xD

Wait, what's the site's kid-friendliness got to do with it? Like...how is that related?

Anyway, to the suggestion, no support from me. I got the achievement more than a year ago and

I hoard because there's nothing to spend it on, and it's so readily available. Even buying cws can't make a dent in it cause I make more sp faster than I can spend it. I spent 200 mil splitting the cost of an Ether less than a month ago. I've already made it back and then some, solely from quests/autopricing. Retiring the achievement won't do a thing to change that.

The only thing I could think of is that it would be difficult for actual kids playing on their own to earn the achievement, since they may not be able to earn sP as easily or something...? But IDK

And yeah Subeta isn't really a kid's site anyway, as already mentioned, so that really should have nothing to do with retiring the achievement or not. If this /was/ a kid's site, there would be a lot bigger problems anyway than just some hard to get achievement and forum title...

I got the achievement a while back, but I would still hate to see it retired.

It was one of my more fun achievements to pick up.

Also, even though I have the achievement, I still hoard Sp. Why? A variety of reasons, but mostly because I want to have a good nest egg because CSC is so expensive. If I need a GA, or something gets released to the cash shop that I just HAVE to have, its nice to know I can just buy it, even at outrageous CSC prices.

I have no support for the richest user achievement to be retired. whether it retires or not, i will still try to hoard my sP. Same goes for many other users. Will i ever get it? who knows, maybe if i sold my most expensive items, so i'd like to have something to dream about... I dont think a few numbers put a strain on the servers and i see no point in it being removed in the first place.

Your argument doesn't really make sense for the fact that 13 years old is still a minor and still having to get permission for A) joining and B) spending any kind of real life money. Which even as a 28 year old adult, I can't drop thousands on Subeta.

I don't buy the but the children argument either.

People can spend real money on Subeta as they please, including minors who have to get permission to join and spend. I don't see the problem if a hypothetical parent is ok with allowing his or her kid to go for the Richest User achievement. It's all just a huge stretch.

Richest User in practice comes down to users pooling sP and working together. I find the theoretical arguments over this bizarre.

I don't think a lot of kids would be going for the achievement to be honest. Even if they decide to go for it, they'll learn how the system works, which wouldn't be bad for them. They're young, not stupid. I wouldn't worry about them (and 13 year olds are probably the minority here anyway).

I'm still confused by the children argument. You don't have to spend real life money to get the richest user achievement...

If they have permission to join the site, why shouldn't they be able to get whatever achievements they can? This argument still makes no sense to me.

I haven't got this achievement yet, but I also like to have a good amount of sp on hand in case I have to buy something I need, whether it be pet slots, a TC items, or CSC.

I personally don't care much about whether the achievement is retired or not.

yup, I got the richest user achievement without spending any cash.

There's no reason why a younger person couldn't earn the achievement. Nor do I see how it might be detrimental to them in any way?

I'm still confused about how/why this achievement is bad/wrong to have if there are 13 year olds on the site. 's point about 13 being considered a teenager in some areas does make sense. In my area of the US, a 13 year old is considered a teenage (husband's youngest brother just turned 13, his parents called him a teenager). Is a 13 year old still a minor? Yes, but so it an 18 year old. If they have permission from parents to join the site, then they should have the freedom to earn whatever achievements they want to. Removing things on the site to cater to the users under the age of 18 could alienate the older users. I've stopped visiting other pet sites because they seemed too kiddish. Also, I don't know why spending real money on the site was brought up, because you don't need to spend real money to get the Richest User achievement. Does it help (like buying GA's or CSC to sell/use) sure, but I've spent sP on GA's and made my money back and then some.

Still no support for removing this achievement, because as other's have said, its not going to stop the hoarding of sP.

I hate all 'top tier' achievements. Whether it is be the single richest user on the site or have one of the top ten scores in Spectrail. I prefer milestones such as have 100mil in your shop till or achieve a score of 500 in Spectrail. That being said, I'm against retiring any achievement that is still possible to do (as opposed to the 'stuff a stocking' achievement). If someone wants to try and get this achievement or is currently hoarding to get it, let them. There is no reason to rob players currently working towards (or even a new player who joins tomorrow!) from the satisfaction of achieving this.

I love the idea of changing the achievement to the top 1%. Changing the achievement doesn't have to mean removing the stats from the Dashboard for those who like to see their actual ranking.

Honestly, this achievement does not bother me. Also those players that are so close to getting it will be very upset if they missed out. Especially since it would involve a ton of hard work! For the rest of us, the achievement being there or not does not really make a difference to us, or does it?

I don't think it should go. To be honest, I'd probably leave if they got rid of it because my current plan is to play at my current level of involvement until I get it then go to a much lower activity level. I'm aware it could take me years but I'm fine with that.

Anyway, I think the few arguments for getting rid of it have seen quite a bit of decent counter-arguments (encourages hoarding, but people hoard anyway being the main argument) which to me means there isn't a very good reason for retiring it. I know I would hoard. And like I said, if they got rid of it tomorrow I'd probably quit. Watching that number go down is one of my primary joys on Subeta, and when I get to the top, buying butt loads of stuff will become my primary joy.

Another point is that people need goals to keep them actively involved. At least I do. Some people just have a goal of making certain pets but what if they get all the pets they want, get all the other achievements they want...what's keeping them on Subeta? The Richest achievement is a good very long term goal to keep some people active on the site who might leave otherwise. And the people who don't care about it can just go about their normal Subetan days.

EDIT: That achievement is also the sole reason I buy CSC and memberships, so that I can make money easier so that's at least one person's support they'd lose.

EDIT 2: Also, please don't change it to the 1% thing. On the surface, it's not a bad idea but I feel like the phrase "the 1%" has such negative baggage that I wouldn't want to go for it.