I approached this with two main thoughts in mind: [ol]

Ultimately, how specific or general this list is is completely up to you; it's totally understandable if you don't want it to include anything and everything since it is such a crazy amount of items! But - I think if the list is deliberately limited, there should be some kind of disclaimer so that users are aware that there are known items that are being purposely excluded from the list. Thinking again about new & casual users - there is no other board similar to this one, so - in part due to its size - it would be easy to assume that this is an exhaustive list. I guess, personally, I feel like since this is the only board of its type, it might as well be fairly wide in scope. But, again, that's totally up to you!

Now, as far as separating/excluding things goes - I think that's a bit of a slippery slope because the boundaries are difficult to define. A big part of that is because these items encompass a range of art styles. It's also the fact that a lot of the items are looser interpretations of animals but no less recognizable.

Art style wise: many of the items lean towards a more simple or cartoony style, which makes it harder to define them as a "legitimate animal" or separate them from something that is meant to be a toy or plushie. For example, there's the which is absolutely identifiable as a cat but it is barely cat-shaped vs the which is meant to be a stuffed animal but arguably has more realistic proportions. Compounding that are the unrealistic designs of many of these items: there are lots of animals in unnatural colors, ones that are clearly magic, and plenty wearing clothes or in anthropomorphized poses.

Conversely, a lot of newer items tend to be more detailed and a little more in the vein of semi-realistic illustrations. Yet the creatures that are being depicted are often no less made up than the more cartoony ones. Talking about excluding minions at one point - now that feels like it would be a less obvious choice with items like and that aren't easily distinguishable from real world animals.

Taking that to the next step: if minions are allowed, why separate Subeta pets? They're arguably more recognizable to users but nonetheless, a lot of the newer items are drawn with the same level of semi-realism as other modern animal companion items. Compare the to the - the mallarchy is a little more stylized but those are two very similar items. Even the designs of some of the newer pets, like the qrykee or urubu, are a lot closer to the their real world counterparts. Sticking with the mallarchy actually, the is not terribly far off from a regular mallard. Now, I don't 100% hate the idea of separating them; I think if you really want to, that would be totally fine. But I just feel that some pet companion items mesh with their given animal category very well.

The last stop in this train of thought is what determines that a creature is too made up to qualify for this list? So like the pokemon items - again, part of it is that they're probably recognizable to most, but why are those made up animals less acceptable than say ? The mythical creatures section really complicates the situation because plenty of mythical creatures start to push into less animalistic features while others are still very similar to certain real animals. Determining that cut-off point of "being an animal" becomes very arbitrary.

Finally, I think a valid consideration is that we cannot know the intentions nor the Subeta knowledge level of users utilizing this thread. Going back to the idea that new/casual users don't know about many items - if those items aren't included in this list, aren't listed anywhere else, and aren't even indicated as being missing, then those users will never be aware that the items even exist even though they might be just the items they are looking for. Because the second point here is: why are users visiting this thread? I think there are many different answers to that which range from someone on a search for a hyper specific item to someone just curious about what's out there.

So, trying to sum all that up leads me, personally, to the following conclusions: [ol]

If anything, I would say eliminate the most human of the items: the blobby/formless ghost items, the humanoid fairies, and the humanoid skeletons. And from what I suggested, don't include the least defined of creatures, like most of the blobby items, the living food/plants/shadows, the non-animal robots, or the snowmen (though a few of those items are still fairly animal-like.)

Anyway tldr: if you want to prune the board, feel free but maybe just include a note so people know there are more items out there. Alternatively, keep including as much as possible cause this is kind of the one place to find these types of items. If you'd prefer to make separate threads for things like Subeta pets, that's cool too. Again, thanks for maintaining this board over the years and thanks for being willing to read my rambling about all this haha.

(Oh, and lastly - I agree with not including very obviously clothing items on the list, but with the advent of HA-less backdrops some items that are like pins & such ( for example) may be able to be used in a similar manner to proper companion items when the HA is hidden.)

First off, please note that I do sincerely appreciate you going into detail. I am all for the rambling.

So the context in which this thread guide was made was for 4 reasons:

1. As a remake of a board from 2011 that was still popular but wasn't updated for years.
2. Literally to help staff artists because they were about to do an animal wearable collection but weren't sure what animals they already had done (hence 's comment)
3. To lessen the burden of Human Avatar Minimods at the time because there were a lot of boards asking about wearable dogs, cats, birds .etc.
4. My selfish reason, at the time I had a pet that had a Treasure devoted to Animal Items, so this helped me with TC list creation

Now while I am a Minimod myself, Human Avatars was never my forum and will likely never be my forum simply because I can't take on more. It is also why this guide has a double post starter from me, because as a Minimod I could do that.

Since its creation in 2016 I have: Gotten Married and Moved Established a solid career and trying to start another business Had 2 kids with a 3rd due in March I mod now 3 forums instead of one

So basically I am wayyy busier now than I was before and updating this guide for sure is a low priority. I do still update it when I am pinged, but for the most part if I remember to update it monthly that is a blessing. And I do take off December from updating both as a break and to prevent spoilers.

So I 100% agree on the disclaimers and it is something that older generations of the board had. (I have some drafts from when I started this project.) My notes from the original attempt were as follows. "Broad categories because unsure of character limit. Just stick with dogs and not like by breed. No Custom Wearables because cannot control availability for users or am willing to bother finding out if the item is private or not. I don't have time for that. Avoid parts of animals and turning parts of avatar into animals, test broke the forums. Avoid Subeta related wearables, far too many and also lead to breaking the forum."

So now that we are in 2024, I can now see the character limit which is 65k per post but that is only at time of creation. When I edit the board I cannot see that. So for the first post I am at 30k roughly and the second post I am at 14k roughly. I did a rough pull from the list you presented (so I removed all the (+color notes) and the headers) basically stuck with the item tags for suggestions to add and didn't count the Subeta Pets part or the pokedolls part and that would be a 16.1k character add. But actually it is more than that because there were numerous notes about multiple colored versions of the same item so I would have to add them too. Although I have a character limit, I have no idea if that limit is actually where the forum post will still load, or just the barrier of submitting the post. The board will be useless to everyone if it doesn't load. This is why I am trying to limit it. Even though I don't even really participate in human avatars (My avatar hasn't changed for years until a friend died so I added their tribute item) I know how popular this thread is. And yes as you stated this is the only board of it's type. There were other lists of wearable items but I don't think they remain updated.

While I get this sentiment that puts the onus of wardrobe exploration on me and not the user who is actually trying to utilize the site feature. Like I don't even use the wardrobe. And having this cheat sheet of items is cool, but also eliminates the possibility of users finding other cool items they like. It wasn't intended to be the be all end all.

This is where I debate in my head because the humanoid Fairies is technically a well known mythical creature and I feel like people would if I exclude them try to suggest to add them back in. That is why some minions and subeta pet wearables got mixed in. But I do feel like that should be a discrimination between the list. It should be a seperate list with notes of "Subeta has a pet called mallarchy that looks like a duck. All mallarchy items can be found at SUBETA WEARABLE GUIDE" .etc. I can get behind the removal of other suggestions like the blobby stuff, living food/plants .etc. I would be in favor of keeping the balloons and toys then but in their respective animal designation and not like a category of its own. And agree on the fence on snowmen. But I now after thought think minions should be added to this list and not the subeta wearable one. That one should be subeta pet species or subeta character related only. Minions do fall on that line of real/not real whatever.

EDIT: Sorry as I was double proofing this post before posting, I found out I wasn't crazy and did actually make that board. Giant List of Subeta Related Wearables So there is the bones for this out there. I would be happy to pass it along to someone to be remade or contact staff to see if it could be revived since once upon a time it was a stickied thread. But I can't commit to redoing it from scratch and being solely responsible for both threads. I just simply do not have the bandwidth. heads up I am gonna throw in a ticket about that thread.

[Quote] (Oh, and lastly - I agree with not including very obviously clothing items on the list, but with the advent of HA-less backdrops some items that are like pins & such (Dapper So Fantastic Brooch for example) may be able to be used in a similar manner to proper companion items when the HA is hidden.)[/Quote]

Yeah that would in my mind totally count. And just adds to the time I need to comb through stuff again. I do appreciate the help and your thorough post. It makes it a hell of a lot easier for me to copy and paste stuff in. And I will address your other concerns from your previous post about categorizations because I agree with most. I also have a hard time discriminating in realism versus cartoon/"mythical cause it has fairy wings now?" type of debate.

But what I still have a very hard accepting is: Parts of animals being on this list like tentacles The pokemon stuff there is a game wearable thread or at least there was a tribute one. I am more than happy to link to that than be the be all end all thread *Clothing like hats or the hats with mittens combos. I bet they probably are listed somewhere in this thread

What I can get behind now: Adding toys of the animals that the human avatar is holding, balloons cause they are distinguishable, I am still iffy on the snowmen but I do like them and I am a human and allowed to be bias.

I am still open to talking this out further, especially again on categorizing things. I just hope my responses somewhat make sense. I also really hope that other people jump on and make threads like this that users like cause it is helpful but also very time intensive at the front end. As someone who doesn't even use the wardrobe on site, this board remains just a labor of love because I don't have a personal need for it anymore. I don't even have the pet with that TC anymore.

I totally get where you're coming from, but I guess my hope was that my crazy willingness to trawl through all 389 pages of the (official items) wardrobe would relieve both you & anyone looking at this list from having to do the same thing themselves. I feel that the wardrobe has gotten to the point of being too large and too cumbersome to use for most users to have the ability to actually look through all or even the majority of the items in there. And finding particular items you don't know/remember can be hard because of what I had mentioned in my last post - items not matching their wearable - as well as the fact that items don't get added to particular layers consistently. I mean, there are 38,820 official wearables at the moment. I know this list doesn't include CWs, but that total balloons to 111,309 if someone is wanting to look at CWs as well. It's kind of a crazy amount and definitely enough to make finding certain items an incredibly tedious task.

Obviously all that is ignoring future items you will still have to keep an eye out for - but if it's any consolation, there are way less official items coming out than there used to be? There were only like 950 wearables released this year; if that was the rate we'd been going since HAs were released in 2007, there'd be less than half the total amount of wearables that there are. Those releases are probably more predictable too, because new items outside of monthly collections & holidays are pretty few & far between.

Now, as far as post size goes, that's a whole other can of worms. I want to say the new forums would help, but it seems to be the opposite at the moment. 😆 This thread does load on Kumos, albeit a little sluggishly, but the tribute & reference thread (which is bigger) is completely broken over there. But I think the removals & exclusions you've mentioned make sense, and hopefully keep this thread to a reasonable size. 🤞

I think this makes equal sense to the other exclusions: there can be fairy animals but no fairy people, just like there can be ghost and skeleton animals but no ghost or skeleton people. Maybe the "mythical creatures" header could be changed to "mythical animals" to really drive the point home?

So helpful! Thank you :)

Items since July (to be helpful - appreciate this board)

Food-Animal Hybrids and Living Food

Feline Types

Canine Types

Marine Life [item= Tiny Little Whale Shark Teeth]

Humanoid

Multi-Species

Other Mammals

Birds

Herps

Not sure if this would be "bat" or a subeta pet:

Not sure about: this set

Ok long delay I know but holidays and then trying to do my minimod stuff with the forum squish had me super busy. I think I added almost everything you suggested that I agreed with. But since it is late for me right now and I started to get a headache I stopped. So I haven't tackled your consideration and feedback yet. I am also pretty sure I missed brackets in spots but it is past my bedtime. So let me know if and when you wanna chat feedback again about splitting some things up.

Thank you, I "think" I got your suggestions in since some were included in Syfyri's add but I probably missed a couple. I did not like the eyeball dogs so I didn't add them. Biased I know.

Whoops, sorry if they were already added. I just went off the "last item added" at the top and didn't actually check the spoilers ^^'

TBF it's the giant list of animal wearables and living eyeball creatures are questionable as "animals" right? lol.

@ Permanent Hello again! Here's a list of the newest companion items:

Household Pets Dogs

Reptiles Snakes

Farm Animals Ducks (Also noticed got dropped off the list, by accident I assume) Sheep

Mythical Creatures Other

Insects Snails Other

Canines (Wild) Foxes

Other Mammals Marsupial Mammals Odd Mammals

I'm just gonna also rehash some things I had mentioned previously:

Bumping this up so it doesn’t get lost 😊