Skins should not be layerable. They're skins. Zombieness is not supposed to be fashionable or easy.

If you wanted something fullbody and layer-mobile like Bug Juice, then Suggest for an sP wearable or make a CW.

I support this idea because it would give people a choice.

I completed the 2010 Bobblehead Collection because I wanted the Trident of the Banished One. I didn't want the partial infections so I sold them.

I managed to find the names of the partial infections and looked them up in Shop Search. They're all available for under 5 million sP. The wigs and Elegant Atebus Mask from the collection are very cheap. The Trident, however, isn't available in user shops or trades although there's one transformed version - Blessed Trident of the Banished One - in trades for 300 million.

I don't see the Bobblehead Collection as being a valid reason for not having partial infections made available for everyone. After all, this is seven years later and there a lot more zombie skins now.

Anyone who wishes to keep to the traditional view that a zombie skin is their skin would be free to do so.

I'm so supporting this! What's the point of the skins if we can't layer them and create amazing HAs? right now our possibilities and imagination and the way we want to express ourselves through those skins is totally blocked! the HA system should give us a free mind!

I could understand the reason of why not to make it few years ago before the skins system, when to be a zombie was a bittersweet choice.. but now we can just remove it whenever we want, what's the different now between the skins and the fullbody items?!

(i know the most recent post on this was kind of a while ago, but i'm very passionate about this suggestion and i'd love for this thread to get some new attention)

utility/usability =/= fashion. and even if it did, you can (and should) have both form and function. if the artists didn't want to the zombie strains to be fashionable they wouldn't have made Doom Bloom look the way it does, etc. also this isn't even just about zombie skins. it's also about skins you can get from achievements and the zapper, none of which are disease/virus related. what's the point of a skin like Dream Rhino if you have to cover up the horn, the thing that makes it what it is, to make it work? i could go on.

i was on subeta long before we had the ability to layer things under the base and long before we could choose which and whether or not to wear a skin and let me tell you, those features were such a needed addition to the wardrobe. there's no reason they shouldn't be expanded. having a zombie skin is now a choice, one that doesn't need to be covered up. in the same vein, having a zapper/achievement skin is a choice, one that should actually be worth what you have to spend/do to get them. without the ability to layer, most of those skins just sit there collecting dust.

bringing this up again woop woop

Is this even true anymore? You can put the base features over a skin...

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but you can't put clothes ^^ thats the point, give the skin its own layer so we can put clothing under and over it edit: also you can't place face features under it, only under the base

Do you mean putting clothes in between a base and a skin? Because I can layer things under and over that skin. I am just confused.

I was confused too at first, but looking at the first page for some of the virus skins (like the Barnankles one) that don't completely cover the avatar base skin, it can look weird having the clothing or other facial features layered over the tentacle bits or whatever else. If the zombie skin was a separate layer, you would be able to put clothing and face items over the HA base but underneath the virus layer.

So yeah, having them be two separate layers so you can put things between them if you want to.

i really suck at explaining things sometimes

here is a example of what we have:

what I'm suggesting:

Ok :) now I get it. Thanks for explaining and

I do want to mention it is fun to figure out ways around that. I used the beast wearable with the latex and one of the morostide dolls and was able to "layer" the skin under the base on a full skin (to use the parts that go past the base. Private Outfit But that is just the darker skin and I get that it may be hard with different skin tones and weird skin tones.

I completely support this.

To the people saying no simply because of lore- that's not very constructive to the conversation. I'm currently wearing 6 different eye items, and could put on 10 more under the base itself if I felt like it. You're saying I shouldn't be able to treat the infections as a different layer simply because when they were created 9(!) years ago, it was meant as a base skin?

Lore wise, we can currently earn as many infection skins as we want, and switch them at will any time. The zombie mechanics have changed, as have the actual wardrobe mechanics! (Under-base layering is a godsend!) If this is a possible change to the wardrobe, then it is unacceptable to cling to the past simply because of decade-old lore.

And yeah- why can't I use Dream Rhino? It's completely wasted at the moment. As are the 18 other skins that don't cover the entire base (list at bottom.) And as I mentioned, I'm wearing 6 eye items- why the hell can't I wear them under Barnakles, which doesn't even cover the eyes!

As Destiny pointed out, it can be a fun challenge to figure out how to use the skins in their current states, but it would still be a challenge down the road too! I went full-zombie for 3-4 years during the beginning, so I had my fair share of learning to cover the base. I see this as an opportunity to have better functionality in the wardrobe, and potentially bring more use to the skins area by providing control. If people can't use a skin because of the inability to layer it over clothes (like Dream Rhino), then there's a problem in the mechanics.

(If it's not possible, then that's a different thing entirely. And obviously, if staff ruled this as a no, then we could move on. But without a yes or no, we're left hanging.)

yeah, still super supportive of this. nothing else needs to be said, really.

I think this would be fun to play with. :)

Please

I can understand why it wasn't an option back when skins mostly stuck to the actual base of the HA, but as things have changed I feel they should be able to be layered so they can be properly utilized

Sorry to bug you (pun intended), but could you shine a light on us? Like, is this plausible? Considerable? Insane?

I think I understand the concept for skins that look like they are a layer on top of the normal HA, like with freckle fever, the red part is separate from the HA base beneath. If you change your base color, you can see it changes. So I understand the idea of separating them in that case. How do you envision this working for those skins that are not separate from the HA? (For instance, bubble jelly, bright bite, or caterkiller)

- Not all skins would benefit from this change (bubble jelly and bright bite, for example), but skins like caterkiller or the peacock experiment skin could be layered under the HA base so the parts that spill out give a cape-like effect. Angelic could allow you to use the wings and halo without the pink skin and the built-in face; carchari gives you a tail and some fins; several other skins give you an aura effect, etc.

And then there are skins like barnankles, where layering clothes over the skin is extremely difficult. If you could layer clothes between the HA base and the skin, it would have a lot more potential. Lobster face, lotus, bindi bite, and dream rhino are kind of in the same boat.

Pretty much what said. We have a giant community of creative HA creators that can benefit from full-body skins being layerable too - it being as a cape effect, like layering the Doom Bloom or Experiment 2795 skin under the base to use their features, or getting a aura or props around the HA with Deathworms, Dolly Dreadful, Blacklight and so on.

Really the possibilities with this are so many, we could do so much new things and have so many new ideas! I know my wording is confusing some times (not a native english speaker here), but I hope you get what I mean, and how much I'm passionate about this idea.

I'd completely support this. Granted I only started participating in the survival event last year, so the lore and any controversy is lost on me, but I am a layering fiend and it's a pity so many skins lose a lot of potential by being locked to the base.

My current HA is effectively layering the angel skin under my virus skin, something I'll not be able to recreate once song/fever more becomes its own skin in the wardrobe.