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Jul 8, 2018 7 years ago
Laurey
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Another one-item issue:

- should probably be changed to "Bodysuit" in the item name, to match every other item with that term on the site.

Jul 9, 2018 7 years ago
Solsticesprite
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I don't agree with ballerino. It should stay as it is as ballerina, or be danseur (which is what I learned in ballet class).

Jul 14, 2018 7 years ago
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Ballerina applied to male ballet dancers is:

  1. A form of misgendering.
  2. A form of misgendering with the sole intention of belittling them.
  3. Both of those are the same anyhow. Read them again.

The fact that it's "ballerina" implies he wishes to hold a principal title, which would be ballerino. Danseur does not hold that rank, and the feminine is danseuse.

Jul 14, 2018 7 years ago
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I didn't read it as misgendering at all.. The item doesn't have enough information as to the original intention of the artist. I read it as the assigned-male dancer wanted to dress as a ballerina -on purpose- and the sticker is encouraging her to dress and dance as she pleases anyways. Ballet is a gendered dance and that is not a male pose or leap at all. En-pointe is a female-gendered move, and this is what the sticker shows.

I dunno what your ballet lessons were like, but I was considered one of the girls and the instructor did not pause to single me out by gender by saying "girls and boy do this" but "girls do this" and it was up to me to remember if this was part of the dance was gendered and if I wanted to do it or not. It was very empowering and made me feel included. And trying out toe-shoes is fun even if dancing on them is super hard.

Jul 14, 2018 7 years ago
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It's Major Drills in his ballet outfit. I can almost guarantee that the artist either didn't know there's a specific male term for a male ballet dancer (which is common), or that they did it as a joke (which I am about 99% sure I was told by someone on staff that it wasn't going to be changed because they found it funny). And misgendering as a joke isn't funny. But if I get into that this post will go on far longer than I'd like to type for.

We are not talking about moves or shoes here. I brought up a word being used incorrectly. Moves/shoes and a term that is misgendering a character are vastly different things.

Jul 14, 2018 7 years ago
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I do not agree that gender is essential, and think it is performative. Therefore what action is being taken is relevant to me. While the prize is a Major Drills prize I personally do not see it as him based on the few available pixels. Nor do I assign any gender to NPC Major Drills, nor do I assume any pronouns (and ballerino is one) for them even if it is them. It is part of their dreams after all. And dreams are dreams.

I presume the artist is correct until we get more/different information.

Jul 14, 2018 7 years ago
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Quote by Solsticesprite
I do not agree that gender is essential, and think it is performative. Therefore what action is being taken is relevant to me. While the prize is a Major Drills prize I personally do not see it as him based on the few available pixels. Nor do I assign any gender to NPC Major Drills, nor do I assume any pronouns (and ballerino is one) for them even if it is them. It is part of their dreams after all. And dreams are dreams.</p>
<p>I presume the artist is correct until we get more/different information.
Oh my goodness. Up until this moment... Actually, half way through THAT post, you referred to him as he/him before switching to they/them. The site refers to him as he/him. Your personal "I don't see the item as him" is irrelevant. Hell, you claiming to not assign a gender and pronouns (again, only about halfway through...) is also irrelevant. The Point To Which You Are Missing: Misgendering is bad. The site should stop. Ballerino is the correct word.

Jul 25, 2018 7 years ago
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i just noticed there are a couple items with 'sulphur' in the name but that's the british spelling. the american spelling is sulfur - which is apparently also the agreed-upon spelling by the international union of pure and applied chemistry AND the royal society of chemistry.

Jul 26, 2018 7 years ago
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Bella

I'm getting the OP updated, sorry for the huge delay.

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I think that the Genetech recombinations can be kinda absurd and that since they are they can also recombine item name spellings. I.e. it would be consistent with the item being a Genetech item that it be differently spelled.
Sorry, I don't understand what this means. Can you give an example?

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Jul 26, 2018 7 years ago
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Apparently I don't understand what I wrote either it took me awhile to decipher my own self. I will try to unpack it.

When we use the Genetech ray, the thing we get is arbitrary. It may or may not be what you or I or anyone else except the artist has in their own headcanon of what those two items combined would look like. The effect of Mad Science is Mad.

Since the actual object is clearly a different thing and is not internally consistent, then talking about it in a thread that is about internal consistency is IMO kinda odd. Who is to say that the name of the fused object isn't different in spelling and consistency somehow? An example of the regularization of English in regard to a new object that somehow ends up with the same name (and natural languages use words over and over again, so this is not unusual) goes like this: The plural of mouse (animal) is the irregular mice. Most English speakers past school age accept this without question. When a new item is created though, what people think of it changes. The plural of mouse (input device) is the very regular mouses.

A hot dog is neither hot nor a dog it got that name through slangifications reificiations and coinage, so it makes as much sense to call an unliving food that looks like it something else new, a notdog. A Genetech fused object doesn't have to be consistent in spelling grammer or form, and it's not really in the spirit of Mad Science that it should. Just like creators of CWs dislike the spoiling of their fun in the name of internal consistency, I think it spoils the fun of Genetech to include zapped items in this thread.

Jul 26, 2018 7 years ago
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Okay, I think I understand what you're saying now. Was this because of the N00b vs Noob sign/genetech combo? In this particular case, I personally think it should be the same spelling. Although yes it is a genetech item, in terms of Mad science, it's not really... like... science in this case.

The item image seems different for whatever reason, but comparing the wearable overlays, it seems like is literally just but someone's written with a sun marker on the former. Not exactly sciencey, and I think that may be the joke. Since they're in the same series and one is just an altered version of the other, I think it should use the spelling of the original.

Regardless, I tend to not have an opinion at all on a lot of these suggestions, and I add everything whether I agree with it or not. Basically I just add things to the OP so staff can consider it for themselves and be the decider, ultimately it's their decision.

And I usually add the commentary of whoever posted the suggestion if it pertains, and especially if it has some sort of source or explanation, even if it's just that user's opinion. So staff has a little something to go off of or consider either side. And because I usually don't have an opinion on the suggestion I don't have anything to add or argue which leads to having just that one user's opinion attached to the suggestion - unless someone else has something to add, which also barely happens.

And sorry if any of that came off as rude, it's not my intention, I'm just explaining why I add every suggestion in the way that I do. I've linked your post under the n00b vs noob one for an alternate opinion. I'm just a curator, lol.

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Jul 26, 2018 7 years ago
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I am absolutely fine with you, and I admire your curation. Neopets users rely on off-site support (and don't rely on the prevention-of-customer service there much at all), but here on Subeta users are doing it for themselves and staff listens. A lot of users here on Subeta have fun with organizing stuff and have Collections and Galleries etc. This thread is an instantiation of this instinct of what is fun for them. I like increasing other users fun. And it's probably at least a little fun for you. tentatively wiggles an eyebrow?

Full Disclosure: I'm not really one of those organize peops I use quickstock for my collections and don't worry if they're incomplete :) I was highly suspicious of and against the purpose of this thread's creation but it appeared that staff likes it and uses it on purpose, so I stopped objecting to it in general and have made some Suggestions myself. I now try to only talk about individual items. And yes, it's the noob sign. While it looks like only a marker did this and permanent markers were some of the earliest items on Subeta, you GET the item by zapping. I mean I know how to bake in RL but Baking with Fantine is something else again. Maybe the zapper hits your own brain and makes you scribble this, something no avarage Subetan would ordinarily ever do?

I didn't link you in my original post because I wasn't blaming your or even meaning to be addressing you specifically This is a Suggestion thread and so staff do read it and can and often do make up their own minds. I thank you gratefully for linking my own not even remotely humble opinion on this.

Jul 30, 2018 7 years ago
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noob vs n00b I think has different connotations. I would argue that n00b is much more sarcastic, and would be the way someone would chastize someone who is sucking at a game, where if I were to start a new game, I might call myself a noob.

Not sure if that really fits with the context of the signs though...

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Aug 2, 2018 7 years ago
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To add to the Sulphur vs Sulfur section, this item uses "sulphur" in the description, which should probably be changed as well if the other two things are.

[edit]Also this item should maybe be changed to "Swimsuit" in the name to match other items on site:

[edit]Another thing:

- spelling in the name should be changed to "Chimera" to match all the other items on site with that word.

Aug 19, 2018 7 years ago
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Aug 19, 2018 7 years ago
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I think the Chimaera is a specific loot named after a specific Battle Challenger, so it is not a descriptor to be regularized, but a proper name.

Sep 6, 2018 7 years ago
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Bella

I am slow but OP is updated now

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Sep 22, 2018 7 years ago
Laurey
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Pegleg vs Peg Leg

Those 4 of the new items are the only ones to use "Pegleg" as one word, so they should probably be changed to "Peg Leg" to match the other items onsite.

For some reason, is already correct. lol

[edit]There are also several items that use "pegleg" in the description, which should probably also be fixed.

https://www.subetalodge.org/list_all/search/pegleg/mode/description

Sep 24, 2018 7 years ago
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Mr. World

I dunno if this fits exactly into the consistency thread, but

The icon doesn't match the actual item. Red with white accent becomes deep green with neon green accent. Gnfkgnd dunno where else to put this tbh aaa

Sep 24, 2018 7 years ago
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It's a gendered overlay! Male and female versions are different: male is green and female is the pinky-red!

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