The prices are high, but tbh I don't really mind because at least these things are available again. If I decide I really want something bad enough, I can just... save up. Idk it's not really that big of a deal. I remember what a pain in the ass it was to earn points for that plot (and my lazy ass only made like 22 lmfao). I really don't get the fuss over the prices tho like not everyone is meant to have everything. There's a lot of stuff I want from the shop, but I understand that the prices are about as fair as they could make them while keeping a stable point-to-sp ratio so I'm at peace with it.

Then they should have been clear from the very start and outright say, they don´t want the normal users to have them. All arguments about the "hard plot" and a "fair pricing for extremely rare items" is utter nonsense as we have seen. We have done the math.
They should not portray the antique shop as a grace to all users and that all users are able to get the items. Because it isn´t. They should say it as it is: A possibility for the users who partook the plot in 2009 to attain the items they couldn´t get before. The rest of the users (the majority of them) are left out. The items are meant for an elite. Say it as it is.
And sorry, but the displeasure at this approach I do understand.

Honestly, just being around for any plot can be lucrative. Take for instance the Reading Drive. said very recently a sold for around 110million. I could buy 2 of those right now with my RD pts. I could have bought 1-2 with the pts I had before. So I could have had around 440million. And I am no where near one of the top players for any plots. So just imagine what kind of pts they had.

But it is WONDERFUL that subeta gave everyone the chance to be able to buy the island/pirate plot items, when so many items were not in stores.

Man, I sold mine for way too cheap, I think I sold it for 40M or 45M

>Honestly, just being around for any plot can be lucrative.

Your are practically saying to the users that weren´t around in 2009: Tough luck! Really charming...

>But it is WONDERFUL that subeta gave everyone the chance to be able to buy the island/pirate plot items, when so many items where not in stores.

Yes, for a small elite. And that´s okay, when such an approach is correctly labeled from the start and not portrayed as something else.

Thank you for the long answer. But you have not read (or understood) anything I said. I have not said anything about gaining the items for the minimum amount of effort. I said I would like a more comparable and equal way to do it. Reread the math if you please. Half a year to gain some of the items is not an equal effort in comparison to less than 2 weeks.
That´s not whining or stomping my feet but plain fact.

Well the soma tablets are in shops for 75mil. So obviously the pt system for the reading drive isn't very consistent. XD

No, it isn't really tough luck when they can still get the items. I was around and I could only get 2 items and from one store, out of tons of items. The items I have from that plot, I had to buy. Players now have the ability to save up and get them pretty easily, except for the weapons (a lot more expensive).

It only took you six pages. Is 'slow' your middle name ?

Can we not make obscure comparisons to how hard it was to earn the points back then and how (not) hard it is to make sP today? It was a plot, people make more money during plots than they make usually. But you couldn't have earned anywhere near 50K points because it would have taken a weapon set worth many times that sword and a pet in that range as well. It doesn't even matter how much time you were going to spend during the event : it was already too late, before it even begun.

What's really funny to me is that if this weapon cost 1 million, no one would even want it because they don't care about battling, but now that they can't get it, they have to get it. People. As for the other items, they're for when your collections are already near completion. They're not even the most expensive books/beanbags/plushies, IDK what the fuss is about.

I see you wriggling all kinds of random calculations about how much money you're making a day and a year and whatnot that are really irrelevant to the point. You're not the target, so it's no wonder this looks expensive to you.

You have to take into account that this 3 million a day you're making is pocket change for people who buy these kind of weapons. If you could make, say, even just five or ten times that (avg) using other methods because, really, restocking/vending/questing is mostly a huge waste of time, then it really wouldn't seem that time consuming anymore. Yes, there are some items that I will save months to buy. No, this is not the Subeta you want to play. Well : you don't even have to. You don't need these items at all. And if you do, you'll work for them. You'll work for them because now you can, as opposed to before the Antique Shop when it would have been much harder.

Edit : As for an equal way to earn the items : it would just be redundant. If 3 billion is an ungodly amount for you, that other way would be as "equally" ungodly. As a comparison, I consumed over 3 billion worth of boosters since the cap was raised.. two weeks ago ? It didn't take anything close to X years to save up, try months instead.

I did - But your points seem wrong - I can purchase the majority of the items in that shop. Alot of people who weren't around in 2009 can. I'm saying that with, at the very least, a minimal amount of effort, you can earn about 1bil a year. Doing quests each day.

The part you're missing is that equal and comparable is being achieved here - equal because anyone can purchase these items now, in a way people couldn't before. Essentially, everyone has access to them, and based on my little mathy thing up there (income/year with questing), can reasonably purchase most of the items, if they so please. Most people choose not to because they aren't spending that much on collections at the moment, because there are cheaper alternatives. Before this shop, collectibles (Jacques Ledger comes to mind) were very rarely in circulation.

It is comparable in difficulty. This wasn't just spending more hours than others. Can you devote 50% of your next 3 weeks (or however long the plot was) playing subeta? I can't, but I bet some people did. Just because 50% of 3 weeks is 252 Hours does not mean that if you could arbitrarily spend 252 hours over a year playing subeta, you should be able to earn these items. They were difficult to obtain at the time, and you needed a preexisting investment (battle pet) to earn, unless you were a restocking fiend, which is a skill set. So you needed a lot of concentrated time, investment, and skill. If you want to put that into a comparable way now, the only people who will be afforded the chance for these items is the top battlers most likely. So what, in your opinion, is a more comparable and equal way of disseminating old rare items that people worked hard for, into a modern setting?

Edit : As for an equal way to earn the items : it would just be redundant. If 3 billion is an ungodly amount for you, that other way would be as "equally" ungodly.

oh, the arrogance... how to communicate with someone like this?

So what, in your opinion, is a more comparable and equal way of disseminating old rare items that people worked hard for, into a modern setting?

Make a new plot. Invent another game (or seomething else) and let the new users do something comparable. This is what I asked for. I repeat myself: The prices are not the problem. Just the effort.

Earning 3.75 billion sP or an equal way to earning a 3.75 billion equivalent ? It's the same thing.

That level of entitlement.

I feel like this hits the nail on the head. I personally missed this plot... I think. I'm all for the availability factor but the items being valued with the prices they assigned it seems foolish. I'm not sure how it would have worked to do it individually due to them assigning an sP value to unused points though.

I'm saying it again because you didn't respond the first time.

You feel like you can't obtain the items now. You would have had even less of a chance back then.

Okay, please complete my calculation then.

How many points did you actually make during the war. I think Philippe and Marvox were on equal footing back then, weren't they?

The effort to earn at item that can be sold for that much > 3.75 Bil price tag. Read my post again. You'd need a 13 bil sP pet to earn a 4 bil sP item, which would reduce in value to about 800 mil, in a similar way most battle plots happen. It would just become another godly weapon as the main prize with lower tiers for participation. The items you can afford in one hour of questing would be equal to the token prizes, or 3 mil.

People work and have lives outside of subeta. I feel like I'm repeating myself, and please stop strawmanning my arguments by picking out points you can "argue" against the best. Assess the whole message and respond. And talking down to members as a way of exploiting their arrogance is counter intuitive and, again, in line with stomping your feet and acting the naive child.

Did the "simple" math out because I'm sure with optimizing stats, it would be less costly, but somewhere around 13 bil in straight boosting. Plus, a couple bil in weapons. And all your spare time not working/sleeping. That's the answer to your question

You needed to have a pet within the top 5/10 of the site to stand a chance, plus the existing god weapons, plus spare time to restock when you were not fighting.

The people that got the god weps weren't there 24/7, but it was pretty damn close.

Phillip already did the calculations since I had first posted about it.

"Do you know what it would take to scale to the cap right now? 35,000 Core Stats/8 stats per tome = 4375 tomes. Each tome is about 3 million. 13.125 billion sP to cap a pet, roughly."

And then factor in the amount of time it would take to do that, too.

I didn't get any points because I was abroad, but based on what my friends got, I would have gotten 50K if I had spent the proper amount of time.

Which is why I'm excited about this now. I'll eventually save up seven billions and buy both weapons

OH RIGHT YEAH I REMEMBER.

yeah you had the craziness level to have gotten 50K by just beating up the 2nd toughest challenger back when the cash shop shields pretty much blocked all their icons.

Man, that would have been great to have done that but HAD TO BABYSIT THE SHOUTBOX, DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME.