i love these guidelines, especially the be patient one cause i've been on subeta for a while but i've been to terrified to post on forums or chats for fear of what others will say.

These guidelines are great. As a (slightly) new user, I have always been scared to ask questions on forums before, but I feel much better about it now :)

I think the guidelines are great. They're short and sweet so I think people will read them. I also think it would be good to have a place people could go if they get banned, where they could go to "plead their case". (I had a friend banned from a different site for something she didn't do, and there was no where she could go to explain the problem)

These guidelines are great. They are clear and 'to the point'.

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rock on subeta team! i'm happy to see you're finally cracking down on some things. i have been a member for 6 1/2 years and i find it interesting that i come across a lot of unrealistic bullying within the forums. Just because i ask a seemingly simple question, do not assume i am new, do not assume i am dumb, and do not assume you are given a golden ticket to be rude to me.

thanks for getting the jump on this S.T....looking forward to a nicer future

I really like the new community guidelines. I like the fact that they are very short and sweet as well as to the main and important point.

I have no proof or example people for this, but I think a lot of people come here from other sites where bullying or trolling is not watched and stopped. So I can see where people would hesitate to use the forums for fear of these kinds of people waiting to attack them. Ping groups are sometimes the worst. When someone pings a large group because they think the group hasn't seen a new item, or topic that pertains to the group, that person can sometimes be attacked just because of one alert on others lists of alerts. This falls under patience though, so you guys covered that. No one wants to be harassed, but it seems worse when you feel ganged up on. Maybe add one more or a p.s. to one of the guidelines that says something about not repeating what someone else has already said when a newer user makes a mistake like that?

The guidelines cover everything nicely. There's enough there without it feeling like a set of rules. Nicely written. The only addition based on all the comments I've seen on them is that everyone was new once. Remember what that was like finding your way around the first time and the advice that might have helped you.

i entirely love the rule about being polite to all users alike when it comes to asking questions. I've only been on this site a year and i've had TONS of questions to ask throughout the year XD haha most of the time answers have been honest, polite, and in a well-mannered temper. which i appreciated :3

also i like the way the opening rule emphasizes on the fact that this site is an escape from the daily day-to-day tactics that we all face which is referred to as real life! I am part of several online site games and this is the only one that has directed it to such a true factor. i have constantly been on my high horse on other sites to the negative nancies about that being my fun time escape from reality and they are stepping all over it with their drama. haha.

There's already something in place for this.

Well, I've finally read through all 17 pages of this, and while I like it overall, I do have a few comments:

1. I liked the suggestion [quite] a few pages back of changing the wording on the hate speech one to the "body, mind, faith, country, ethnicity" version.

2. I saw what seems to be confusion on if this supersedes and/or replaces the existing rules. Clarification on that is needed and, if it does neither, a link to the full rules should be within the guidelines.

3. I feel an additional guideline of "Be Courteous" is needed. I rarely come to the forums, but this would hit my two biggest problems in the SB: uncomfortable topics and spoilers.

On the former, It is not at all uncommon for the topic of discussion to move into territory that someone finds uncomfortable. Instead of any sort of apology or attempt at discussion change, most of the time the response when someone says that the topic is making them uncomfortable is "close the shoutbox if you don't like it." Obviously, these things need to be taken on a case by case basis, but no one should ever be forced out of an area of the site because it's making them uncomfortable. Especially when it's somewhere that is open on everyone's screen by default.

On the latter, it is already addressed in the site rules.

(a refresher for anyone who needed it) First off, this needs clarification, because it's always been a point of contention on if this ONLY applies to site spoilers, or if it's spoilers in general. Secondly, especially during a) events or b) major television events, this comes up repeatedly in the SB on a regular basis. People on the East Coast will start discussing the events of the premiere or finale of a TV show, or results of an awards show, before it even begins for people on the West Coast (or further west). Or, worse, is when people discuss on-site plot points, ruining the fun for other people. A post earlier prompted me to look at my tickets I'd filed, and I saw one from last Morostide, where someone was posting openly the ending to the plot. When someone complained that they specifically had spoiled them, because the person wasn't even to the final step of the plot yet, they were told "boo-loving-hoo". That's unacceptable behavior (hence why I'd reported it), but sadly common.

A "Be Courteous" guideline would cover both requests to change uncomfortable topics (aimed more to the SB) and spoilers (in the SB in general, and unmarked in the forums), as well as other things that I'm probably not thinking of right now.

I don't post anymore because everything is a complaint of some sort. Most of the vocal majority think that they should have the site and game catered to them, and if something is changed or introduced that doesn't meet their level of standard, they dismiss it and attack staff for not doing X Y and Z.

Sounds nice and simple. Clear cut to me.

I'm not sure if it's because I interact less with everyone, but I really like how the cliques have slightly diminished. They're still there of course, and more power to the ones that are friendly. I don't see as much group bullying these days! /

I really like these ideas. <3 I hope they help make the forums a much more welcoming place to be.

I still have to ask 'dumb' questions about the site sometimes and I always find it a bit unwelcoming when people act like I should know everything about the site after being online for two years... (And I usually google what I'm asking about before I ask, so it's not like there was no attempt on my part to figure out my question myself).

This probably won't get noticed, but oh well.

I really feel that there shouldn't be guidelines set for how people should act. If you're 13 and don't know how to act by then, then you don't need to play. Sure some comedy now and then is fine, but having a guideline of how people should act is unnecessary in my opinion.

The only thing that people should think of before they post is that there is another person on the other side of that computer, there is someone else out there who has feelings.

Just treat others how you want to be treated and there wouldn't be this problem of making guidelines for how people should act.

I agree with the above, but in some cases people really need to be told these things for some reason :/

And it's not because they just don't care about how they act, but it could very well be because they have some sort of behavioral problem and they really don't know hoe to act irl, let alone on the internet.

Because let's face it, the rest of the internet isn't always so nice.

Lovely guidelines. :) Very to the point, but still simple so it isn't overwhelming for anyone.

I like the guidelines, they are simple and too the point.

I think the guidelines are definitely good as they are! It's broad enough to cover all negative aspects without being too generalized to be confusing. I like that they are kindly written, almost like a group of friends setting up rules for a game rather than like an authoritative voice dictating what has to be done.

Ok I got to read the guidelines and well I didn't read the other posts here as I don't want swayed on my thoughts here for a moment ( I will go read them after posting promise) but I feel this does hit on a lot of things. When I was new to the world and even now (seriously don't judge) I find myself with questions and wondering about things or changes that may occur while I'm away ( I tend to be off the site for extended lengths from time to time) and things change while I'm gone (seriously coming back to the map changes freaked me out). Not fully something that you feel comfortable asking about in the open forums because there is 'that guy/gal' who doesn't get why others can't devote every waking moment to the site and if that person ( or people) are reading this sorry but its true you make those of us who work feel like crap and make the new users feel utterly stupid and like this may not be the place for them and well Subeta was always that place where you could come and enjoy your time. For me this is fun, squeeze in a few moments between work, and baby girl and house things and dates with hubby or just time with him and dinner and cleaing/packing for possible move that could be coming soon even when I started I was in college and this was to give me something to do during insomina or breaks I needed during study time and hey you can have pets in dorm rooms unless they are computer ones and this gave me a break and relaxing time. I hate those that try to ruin fun for others I've had other sites where I do things online play games either games or post based rpgs and people that pull those stunts make you want to leave. Personally I feel these rules will keep it more calm and more happy cause you don't always have a group that you know the people in and you can ask questions findin ones where you can ask questions and not get treated like a moron is rare even when your around for years and not just on here ( WOW is HUGE on having the jerks of the world I miss my old group we where part of for a while as they really wanted me to get into the game to and refused to treat me like the chick whos playing and trying to be cute but really like a person who wanted to try the game and gave me a chanse to learn and helped me when they could) I have a group here but not everyone can or will have that and to me being able to ask in community with these rules in place means that they can have people backing them on not bein asses.