I don't think it's necessary, but IF an alternative was created, maybe they could make it like an sP sink, where you can 'buy a weapon to give to the front lines' with sP, but you don't actually receive a weapon, it would just go 'poof' and like 100 points of damage would be done to the opponent?

Unless it costed 1 million, should do WAY LESS DAMAGE than 100. Most people can barely do 20 in one fight.

My average is around 500-600, and I have a tier 10 pet.

Obviously the numbers would be worked out by the staff with the behind-the-scenes data figures.

Actually, in that three minutes between my post and your ping, I actually found a way where a 100 damage would work.

If it can only be done once. Or a really limited amount of times. :)

Top prizes in battle events should be well, hmm, given to people who actually battle. Not people who have too much SP to grind into the system

that would be an interesting alternative - for people with weak pets or who just want to do more than one thing.

I really do like the idea of an alternative, and I'm super glad it was considered! I don't mind battling, but it gets really, really repetitive. It'd be nice to have options or do one thing, then do the other, and so on. Get to mix it up.

I really like the idea of an alternative to battling. I mean, I want to eventually get into battling - I'm slowly training one of my pets - but even once I get a decent battle pet, I really think battling is a pretty ...boring feature. It isn't interactive to really say that it is, and I'm not too fond of turn-based battles.

So I would really, really love some kind of game and/or other tasks I could do... As long as the game doesn't hurt my head (I think it was the sledding game with the cybils that give me headaches and make my dizzy? I know a LOT of people have issues with that game) x'D Something set up like like Omen Island Raiders or even Spectrumtail could be interesting.

I have a hard time understanding how I can be helpful when my pet can do 200 damage maximum, but jaxon can and does regularly heal for 1500?

I'm casually plugging away anyway, but I do wish there was alternative options. It's not necessary but it could be something a hell of a lot more fun for people to be able to choose how they take part.

I like variety. That said I actually do like the types of - whole community has to come together to take on something neigh unwinnable.

I know that every time I see that hp bar go down it's because there are tons of other subetans all working like I am to take out tiny chunks of damage (and it's a rather amusing mental image) as everyone does a very small part, that can take something with over 200mil hp O.o

But still - Variety is the spice of life! I have a barely just turned tier 4 that I've been raising up slowly pretty much since I started, (and when I remember) and am afraid I'll never manage to hit tier 8 or so and be able to tackle the really big targets but it's still somewhat fun to be able to participate in the battle royal.

Also Good to know! I really appreciate that you guys are taking the time to add things right rather than just adding them before they're fully fleshed out. It's comforting to know you guys care about details like that.

So this year we had Tempest and Hydragellos.

Why did we need another battling-for-long-hours route?

@ gremlin because some of us actually enjoy it? morostide = battling. this is the first group boss we've had for the holiday, but still. boss fight = battling for hours = more people have a chance to land some damage.

my main concern with having an alternative to the boss fight is that the top prize is often a weapon, and call me grinchy, but I don't think someone who's playing a game/donating items/whatever should be eligible for a tier 11/12 weapon, even if they pulled a top score.

That's not grinchy at all! It's the official direction staff took concerning weapon release. That they should be gotten via battling!

Yes, I agree that questing/playing games should be disabled when the boss is at 25% or so. That way, we won't have an anticlimatic ending of the boss dying because of someone questing.

Also, that's why I want them limited. We can't battle to get quest points, after all. We can't play games for quest points. We have to quest. Even if it's horribly grindy. The same should go with battling events. It sucks, but not everyone likes everything on the site.

BTW, it took 25 hours for Jaxon to be defeated with battling alone. Having alternatives might mean that...not everyone could have had a shot at highscores.

And with auto-refreshers, no less. Hence why I don't want this "support from sidelines" thing ever implemented if there is no rule to freeze players who abuse auto-refreshers.

We work our asses off in training our pets--many of us of have multiple battle pets--and sacrifice a lot of in terms of weapons, scrolls, sPs, actual money, basic human needs like sleep or having fun outdoors or at parties.

So yeah, we fucking deserve to be rewarded for training our pets from ground-zero to capped t12's. You want the best prizes? Quit bitchin' and train like everybody else.

I can't wait until this is implemented because then it means we'll have an awesome player vs player battling competition alternative to those silly dress-up contests... right...?

No but really battling is a part of subeta, fighting has been in every single plot ever, if you don't want to participate in it, then you're actively making that choice not to... If you don't want to train your pets when you know for sure that it would benefit you in a plot to train them, that's a choice. If you "don't have time/sP for training" then you don't have time for subeta so why should you get the same rewards as someone who literally spent 24 hours straight putting in serious effort, in addition to the time and dedication put into training a decent pet. I don't spend crap on my wardrobe so I don't expect to get the same prizes for HA contests for people who dedicate their time to that. I still participate because I want to, knowing I literally have no chance of winning. The same principles could apply to everyone complaining about battling.

Yep some like it. Does some signify the majority? If some does signify the majority, then most people must therefore like the way the plot was ended, and there are no problems.

Now someone needs to post in order to proceed to spoiler .

Pretty much. It's nice not to forget battlers. I invested a lot of time in battling Jaxon. While it was a choice of mine, I'm pleased by the opportunity. It's a choice to be a battler, just like everything else. It would be unfair to those people. The plot has been easy, in my opinion. I'm glad we got some decent battle.

Because there are events on the site where you don't have to touch battling

This year, you had New Year, Survival, Masquerade, Alegarten, Pekaboo and Keelhauliday where you could 100% everything without touching battling, and 10th anniversary had a day devoted around battling, but no achievements concerning this specific battling.

Meaning that you only had Morostide and Vesnali where battling was important. OVer half of the events had nothing battle-wise. That's why people who don't battle stay, because battling is not mandatory in all events.

Ahhh, but you have not seen the magic of spoiler !

I'm not against more battle opponents, I am against having the same kind of boss fight three times in a year. And I am for a bit of diversity in plots that will only come once. Events like Vesnali will happen every year. You can miss a year and catch up on all those items next year. Nothing of value lost with effort.

Blame Tempest. Tempest is the boss fight we shouldn't have had. Not Jaxon.

The things in your vault matter for achievements and such. Remember how many people whined that the new collection achievements were too hard and rewarded hoarders?

Without a decent wardrobe, LOL GOOD LUCK DOING SOMETHING WORTHWHILE IN BOTB. Which was a glorified popularity contest. Or Epicon. Or Summer in Centropolis.

Battling is not the only way to "win"