Yeahhh, I have a few items that I wish I had submitted a few more batches! But it's not a huge deal, it's just a learning experience. ^_^

Having stuff like possible discounts or transformable options on a list like this is still good, I hope my comments didn't make it seem like I was just being a dick and saying NO NO NO. It's more like... Me dancing around singing "Lower your expectaaaatioooons"

The SubQ designer contest was such an amazing, fun thing, and I had actually sketched something out at the time to see what I'd do XD Pretty much any way to bring in the artists sounds like fun to me.

I get it, Regretting that you put limitations on things in the past sucks. Wanting to see more users enjoy what you do (drawing or releasing) is great. But none of that is a reason to undo rules designed to stop scammers. It sucks you can't release said items, but now you know from those mistakes that hard limitations aren't the be-all-end-all.

I have a fairly niche style for a lot of things, this I know. But I also know that someone along the way may want my item, and unless I truly want something completely limited, I will not put a hard cap. My way of limitations, mostly for my own peace of mind: First batch: discount; for example a wig will be 600; then 650 in my shop. Locking: Set a date and lock it, note that it will be unlocked whenever I feel like it. If someone NEEDS it, they can comment otherwise hold off and you never have to talk to my dumb ass (some people are shy, some people hate me, I don't care who buys my stuff from my shop) Limited: I have done "group" limitations (be in X forum group); but mostly I do seasonal or event items that are released/sold/unlocked during those seasons/events. So if someone wants it, all they have to do is hold off.

I do have some privates, and a few items that are hard capped. Private is one thing, I can easily ask all parties if they would be alright with me releasing something. Hard capped items, however, are purely on me. If I regret it, tough shit. One of my wigs I do regret putting that hard limit on (two batches for one, two colors total, only). But it's not reason to risk further scammers fucking friends over.

I understand that learning is sometimes no fun

IF my artist would still be on I would just have bugged her for a recolor (I am good at bugging my artists, I really am) but that option is no option

I guess I just have to wait if she decides to come back and draw again XD

Thanks for the time to answer me!

I see what you mean now! It sounds like a good idea, I think it can be worked into something that is toggleable. So if you have something that is a friends-only release in your shop waiting to be claimed, you can toggle it to be hidden from the regular shop search. The same for items intended to go to the general public, those can be toggled to be shown in shop search while we wait for our slotters to claim their copies.

: The way you reworded my argument sounds extremely dismissive, but those are not the words that I used. This is an example of why I'm thinking of bowing out of these threads.

The point I was trying to make was that when you are testing to see which of two opposing hypotheses is correct, sometimes the one that most people think will be true turns out not to be.

I'll be happy to provide you with my numbers after I go back and count slotters/batches for each item, which I've been meaning to do anyway. I didn't record some of the data for my first couple items. However, I've only got data on unlimited submissions because I've never done a limited one.

Well, my reading of your words (to me, I didn't/wasn't able to read through everything between you and Reaper), was dismissive. It felt to me like you were saying that releasers' anecdotal experiences weren't valid or proof "enough" to validate the opinion that batch caps have their place in the market. On one hand, I get it, which is why I tried to provide all the data I had, but on the other hand, it's frustrating, because not everyone is crunching hard numbers for their personal CW hobby, and invalidating their opinions based on solely that seems extreme.

I'd love to discuss data if you ever have time to compile yours, you're always welcome to comment me. My data is incomplete because I haven't done any unlimited releases at all (at least not lately), and yours is the opposite. I'm actually curious about trying an unlimited release for an "average" item to see if the numbers are impacted for me. Edit: I have freedom to do that because if I lose money on it, it won't impact my ability to buy or release things in the future.

That's a good suggestion for toggling visibility. I'll add it to the suggestions on the first page.

I can see where you might get that idea, but I did say somewhere in my wall o'text (tm) that I believed releasers who think this have probably have reasons to think so.

What I have a problem with is when people insist that it's a fact, and not just their considered opinion.

Without hard data that we'd probably have to get from querying the site database (because honestly, most of us don't keep records), it isn't really possible to say that it's a fact.

I also don't object to people being allowed to cap batches if they have actually decided that even if 30 people want their item and are willing to pay for it, and even if 20 more people who aren't on the site yet might want it later, they only want 10 copies of that item to exist.

But submitting as unlimited costs nothing and not announcing a batch cap allows the releaser to make all the sales they can make in the moment without cutting off the possibility of future sales.

I understand very well why limited items are sometimes a priority for buyers because they have a limited amount of CSC right now and there are so many pretties that they think they will come back for it later. I don't judge people for that.

But "resale value"? My opinions on that can't really be politely expressed.

If someone wants to gift, sell or pawn my item after they've paid for it, that's their business. And they should feel free to undercut me enough to make a sale, because we've all been there.

But buyers who actively refuse to buy unlimited batches ever on the grounds of "resale value" are essentially asking releasers, who rarely break even unless they do their own art, to give up 100-200 csc per future sale so they can sell the items for profit that the releaser will get none of. And there is no guarantee that an item which is a bit of a dud today won't end up being popular later as fashion styles change IRL and onsite.

I can see where you're coming from! Maybe there's been some overly strong language about whether this or that is a 100% given. It really does depend from releaser to releaser. [user=Cresenta] does not cap her batches and she usually has pretty strong releases, so there is definitely nuance in play when it comes to type/style of item, similar items already on site, buyer audience, etc.

I think the idea is that it does potentially lower the number of sales at the time of release, though. That's the whole argument that a lot of releasers are making. If an item is unlimited, there will invariably be some users that put off slotting right away in favor of buying it later. There's no way to know HOW MANY sales would be lost, though. Some people definitely do seem turned off by the idea of losing money now in exchange for a trickle of 100-200 CSC gains over time, and I'm not sure how to combat that notion.

I get what you're saying about resale value, and it does really put everyone in a bind. But if you're trying to sell X wig to get some CSC for your next purchase, and X wig is still available at slot price in the cw shops, it's gonna be a lot harder to recoup your money. You can sell at a discount, but there's less guarantee of a bite than if you're the only source of that item. I don't know how to fix this either, though if submission/recolor prices could eventually be lowered or something of that nature, cost savings could allow for CSC to spread farther/buy more things and help with the selling market. OR if there was a great incentive to buy CSC from the site vs. selling your stuff to make CSC that way, it'd help. IDK. Crossing my fingers for various revamps in the subsscription/csc buying department, but that's a whole other discussion. XD

Anyway, thanks for discussing this with me, but I think we've both said as much as we can say on the subject and still stay on topic. I welcome discussion that could help staff decide if they want to change policies or not, but I don't think this particular conversation is leading to any productive ideas in that vein, though it does give me a lot to think about. Do let me know if there's something else you think of that I can put in the suggestions for the first post!

oo i really like the idea of a community shop o: tbh i've thought about trying my hand at cw's so many times but then i think about all the hassle of shops and ping groups and slots and whatever and i'm like........... nevermind lmao

it could also be a good way for new artists to give cw's a shot to see if they wanna keep doing them or not i think :>

i think a community shop could also have really low submission cost and prices? bc i also agree that cw prices are just too high orz 700 csc for a 125 x 250 item is........ kind of ridiculous if i'm being honest

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also on the topic of streamlining the submission process: when you get a denial you have to resubmit the whole thing instead of being able to just re-upload the ci/overlay and submit it again not the worst thing but kinda annoying

I know at least one person that got into doing CWs because of last year's masquerade CW contest - so I'd really love to see more contests/events of that nature. Submitting to a community shop would be a perfect way to host events like that outside of the big site holidays, I think!!

(Technically, you definitely can still make CWs without dealing with a shop, ping group, etc. Slotting is just a way for CW releasers to "crowdfund" submitting a CW to the site, since they average 1.5k-2.5k CSC each to submit per 5 copies of the CW. If you don't mind front the whole cost to submit, you can definitely just do that instead of taking slots! There's also a Direct-to-Shop function that allows you to submit a CW. You get one copy for yourself, and the CW gets put directly into your CW cash shop where people can buy it from there if they want it, without any hassle on your part.)

I don't know how submission prices would work, though it would be nice if they were lower than the general submission in exchange for not having full control over your final result. The site would still have to make money to pay the person approving all the community shop CWs, though.

RE: your edit! This is an amazing suggestion!!! It would be soooooo nice if you didn't have to go through the whooooole submission process every time you get denied. I'm going to add that to the first post!

Hi!

I read through the whole topic and frankly didn’t know what to add to some of the discussions, so I’ll just go ahead and mention the ideas im super up for, as well as the ones I personally do not think would work (leaving out the neutral ones so that I don’t type for 29 years haha)

YES Lower submission prices. I understand that there’s sP items, then cash shop items, then CW items. There has to be a price progression somewhere, but I truly believe the pricing to submit a cw is too high. It always was, but the market used to be able to sustain all these transactions. They no longer do and haven’t for years now. If you want more users to enjoy CWs, give them a reason to get more than just one or two per month. CWs are a whole new wardrobe world and there’s so much that can be done. Give people a reason to support CWs by not making them so hard to reach and so complicated to follow.

Reduce recolor submission cost. I read somewhere that « staff still needs to review the item ». Yes it’s true, but if you lower the cost even a little bit and get even more recolors submitted afterwards (thus generating more sales), is this not also an added benefit? That being said, i’d be more partisan of lowering submission costs overall than having both lower submission AND lower recolor submission.

More sales beyond black friday. I’m not a big fan of weekend bonuses personally, because people just wait till that one weekend to purchase csc and buy CWs. Instead, why dont you have (a few only) surprise sales throughout the year? Making a strategic sale sounds a lot safer than a scheduled reoccuring one that everyone is planning on 3 weeks out of 4. Make a sale when you need one. Don't just perpetually devalue csc by making sales every single month.

CW database. Please please please, we've been waiting for so long!

CW area on the map. I remember Tartelette mentioning this a few years ago, and I always loved the idea! Every other aspect of the website has its own little place on the map, so why can't CWs have that too, given they are so important? This page could be represented as a little hub leading to cw shops, to guides and tutorials etc.

CW community shop. Forever and ever I will support this! I liked the idea of having them either as year-round or seasonal items. Either SP or cash shop items as well. Just.. a way of representing the CW artists as well as let them contribute their time and their art to the website. Would it require some logistics? Sure it would. But I really think it would help to make CWs more accessible to everyone.

CW feed page reorganized. The page itself has a lot of information going on, and no real way of navigating through it. I do think it could use a little bit of UI improvements so that searches can be made easier and simpler!

NO Revoke Batch Limits Rule. Rules are there for a reason. I don't want to reopen the debate I saw earlier on this thread, so I'll just reply from my standpoint and my longtime experience both as a cw artist and a cw buyer. Revoking a batch limit has always created discord and scamming issues. I won't start naming them all, but there has been many that lead to this actual enforced rule, and it was created for a good reason. You can't just change a batch limit 'because it was more popular than you intended'. Either you cap or you dont, that's up to you, but once you made a choice you just stick to it. It's unfair to all your customers to essentially change the value of what they bought just because you wanted to make more profit. If you weren't thinking about profit, then it would've been unlimited in the first place. Users shouldn't have to pay the price of this.

Allow sold out or old CWs to come back after X amount of time. If you want it to be available, leave it in your cw shop as unlimited. If you retire an item for any personal reason, then it is retired. There shouldn't be a but-i-didnt-think-people-would-resell-it-for-so-much. That's part of the economy. You buy, you sell, you invest, you keep. You win and sometimes you lose, too. When CWs started, the whole economy could've been different if all items had to be submitted as public and unlimited. However, this was not the direction it went through. With the system we have, it would be mayhem to allow 'retired' items to cycle back, on top of simply not being fair to those who bought your items in the past.

Remove Locked Items From Shop Search. In-between? I agree that locked items can be irritating when you're searching because well.. it gives you the false hope that it's available. But a lot of times, people lock their items without necessarily making the item itself private. There's a bunch of times where shop descriptions said you were welcome to comment for an invite, or that they were open for trades. Maybe having an indicator that the item is locked perhaps?

And I think this is it for now!

aa yeah i know i can do that (i slotted 2 people on the one cw i made and paid for the rest of the copies myself) but that's just rly expensive lmao

oh man i've been thinking about this for a long time but never wanted to say it asdfghjkl BECAUSE MAN I AGREE i used to like the idea of monthly sales but it's gotten to a point where they don't... really feel special? instead of feeling excited bc i got a deal i just feel frustrated the rest of the month because 'well i want csc now but not buying it during bonus weekend feels like a waste so guess i'm not buying it'

plus i mean maybe this is just the awful marketing grad™ in me but a reason for sales is to get people to buy out of fear of missing out but you aren't rly worried about missing out if you know you can just wait another 30 days lol

I am seconding the motion that it would be great if resubmissions filled in everything we'd already done so we only needed to edit the areas that needed fixing. I'm not sure if this is a programming possibility and I know right now programmers are working on the site issues, but maybe something to speak to about when they're done dealing with the errors since the server move.

I was super hesitant myself to say to not show locked items in search. I feel like, long ago, they said they'd have a different designation for them on shop searches (like they'd be yellow or have a little lock symbol or something) but if staff said that, it never did happen. It would be helpful to see it happen now though rather than removing them completely.

My suggestion mostly was born out of folks getting mad that they appear in searches but aren't buyable. Maybe another solution would be the option to hide a result from shop search if the item is locked - that way ones people are fine issuing invites etc for will appear but privates can be hidden so people don't get as mad :/

Also seconding the opinion that we have too many CSC sales to the point that it's definitely affecting markets and making releasers scramble to make sure they're releasing only/primarily on bonus weekends - which inevitably means a jam packed queue and more pressure on staff 1 weekend out of the month instead of releases continuing to be spread out. Idk what the best solution to this is but I swear bonus weekends used to be less often and more random.

As an occasional CW buyer, never a releaser.

In regards to non-private locked items in shop search. I will never, ever ask about buying a locked item. Never.

I know that the vast majority of people who create CWs are fine people. Several, however, are not. I don't keep up with the community, but I do see and hear things from time to time. Basically, those bad apples prevent me from making contact. I won't risk a casual comment asking if I can buy a locked item because I'm too worried that I'll get a sneering response back. Something along the lines of "why would I ever sell my oh so precious locked item to the likes of you" is scary enough to stop me from asking. Even knowing the risk is tiny, very unlikely to happen. Its just not worth the risk. So yeah, seeing locked items in the shop search just adds to the general frustration of tens of thousands of other unavailable items. Only its first dangled in front of me as if I could actually buy it.

Well, I've pretty much seen only releasers here (I believe) and while I'm just a buyer, I'll give my 2 cents.

The biggest thing I agree with is the submission cost. Mannn that should've gone w/ inflation and started out much less than it is now b/c I remember back when I started, 100 CSC was less than 4ml sP. Wish I could've bought the shit out of it back then................ugh, I digress.

Anywho, the costs for me has been my greatest drawback and it's generally when I know an item was recently commissioned that I want to help the releaser for their contribution of buying the art and wanting to make it available to others b/c that's all straight out of pocket (ok, not always necessarily, since people can pay in CSC). Artists charge what they do, s/times less than they deserve in my humble opinion, so there wouldn't be anything I would want to change about how they choose to delegate their earnings. Submission costs are fucking ridiculous, though.

Of course we can go down the proverbial rabbit hole of what makes the site more money, but I don't even want to devolve to that after seeing an overwhelming support in favor of trying to raise money for the site to continue on. That goes far above my head as far as what 'they' want to do in keeping good functionality at minimal overhead. It seems that the CW world throws a lot towards the workers of this site but that's just an ideology from s/one that isn't geared towards spending actual money on their pets which makes me bias, and not willing to debate the others on who makes the site more.

CW based, I've really had a turnaround due to my own life events. The site has not rewarded me with anything after spending X amount of dollars on here - in which I knew from the beginning of getting into cdubs that they, at least, wouldn't be a contribution of my life; but I really stopped being so frivolous when after many "upgrades" of different types were causing sooo mannny dammnn issues. I wanted to not only support releasers and artists alike, but why am I doing it on a platform that can frustrate me so much and make my "frivolous funds" feel like a waste on many occasions? It had nothing to do w/ the releasers and I've really felt bad that I wasn't right in that forum on the next new release saying "me me me!!! slot pls!"

My priorities have shifted due to things I've gone through over the last year and not only have I not been able to be on those first batch rewards - which I honestly think is great - I've also decreased my interest in a lot of stuff. Aside from the aforementioned, here's why:

1. Releasers that do a 10 copy limit. Gawd that's irritating. I know I've heard from some releasers that there is a number of people that will only slot on an item if it's limited and that's generally why I don't jump into those, when I have the chance. I honestly can not understand those type of people and why they need s/thing so rare. It's just not in me. This is such a unique environment b/c there aren't ads and famous people showing you supposed things that they like and everyone who loves them following along. It's very individual, which is what I've heard from several releasers and you never know when an item is going to 'go viral', so to say.
   There are a number of items I'm really hoping to find one day but they're rare NOT b/c they were limited, but b/c they were reduced in number due to the lack of interest. Now, some of those items are being sold or traded for extremely rare items (that are usually on everyone's damn WL) or sold for 10, 20, 30 and more US dollars!! Like damn! If that's your hobby then you do you, honey. I'm mildly jelly, I'll admit, but only b/c I don't understand the fruition of it. (Over half of the most wanted WL I have has been either deleted or revised. Somehow, some things actually come along that are normal priced that I never thought I would get. )

2. I don't know if there's much, if anything that can be done about this, but people only trading for things that are so rare, if not downright uncommon, that it sits in their shop fooorrrr eevvvvee rrrrrr. Now, relating to the above, I've lost interest in a lot of things b/c of this and it's generally not s/thing new. The one thing that bothers me is not keeping up w/ a new ping group I didn't know about and finding they're the releaser of a really cool item I happened to come across (oh and guess what, there were only 10 copies, anyway) If no one has given you what you want in a YEAR... and you have a LOT of items for trade (why, tho)... then there should be a time limit on dubs the way there is w/ trades. I actually wish this for a lot more than just those items but for retention and all that, my thought was to kick them out of the shop after a certain amount of time and have them redefined in price - meaning you couldn't choose what you had formerly put them at. I think that maybe those people would reconsider some of their "trade only" items for CSC and/or rethink their WL??!!
   It's just kinda sad.. I suppose... to see some items that people REALLY want sit in a shop w/ a trade only option when they have the exact impossible WL that everyone else has. Half of those items are things that no one seems to be willing to give up and they're quite old and those owners have probably forgotten about them. (cough hoarders :P )

3. Private labeling. I wish there was a way that Subeta could just keep these hidden. People really get upset when they find an item they really REALLY want, only to be told that it was private.
   Look..... I get having items being exclusive to certain peeps for certain reasons. I'll be the first to admit that I gave up that quest a long time ago w/ trying to be on the top tier to be included and not being in that private group can really suck at times; but I'm quite happy now in my decision (partly to not to support a site that has disappointed me more often than not) and it has really narrowed my focus on who I want to buy from. Same with those limited items - 10 copies when every time you release s/thing it sells out, meaning it's more desirable. Thankfully, I mostly find little interest in those items, although when I do, it still sucks that I don't pay attention to certain pings. :P

Not really sure if this is a 4) or not but going back to the trade only items... Since Subeta owns everything, then I completely think it's their responsibility to take more notice of the market, and in particular things that sit around in shops, completely unused and untouched for months and months at a time. (we're talking at least a year, here) So, there's always a few that spoil it for the rest, which is the gist of what I saw and debate about. I may not have been around for that, either, but it's a redundant type of topic where the few ruin it for the masses, and it seems to have ruined it for others that are newer and getting in to it b/c the older crowd has already been tainted and kinda falls back on those times - not saying they've gotten any better, by a long shot. (Definitely a redundant topic... one new, one older, one not knowing history and whatnot and one only wanting change, i.e. hope. Personally, both of you are right in different ways.)

I've spoken as a buyer in other topics that were similar but I really like your rundown, of things you'd like to see changed. It's a worthy subject, for sure. Not sure if it's the right time in Subeta for all it's been going through. >.< As in those other threads, I really REALLY wish I'd see more buyer input. There are just too many that are afraid of getting involved and not being included in releases that it makes everything much more difficult to get the full grasp on the overall topic as far as what ALL would like to see, changed or updated.

I'm in support of most of the points here, so I'll just share my thoughts on those that I disagree or are on the fence about.

1. Force public copies.

This is something I don't agree with. There are many reasons why people have privates, forcing public copies could be upsetting if the item was a tribute to a deceased person/pet. One of my own releases is limited to friends/ping group as it was made for a special occasion involving my rl cat, I would not have had this item made had this rule been in place.

2. Revoke batch limit/re-release after some time

I'm torn on this one, I know why it was put it place and I do agree with that reasoning.

I'm on the fence because one of my own releases ended up only being 10 copies because of a dumb mistake on my part and I really wish I could change that. I was using a template to start my shop and missed the part where it listed number of copies and only caught it once it was too late. I always feel really bad whenever I see this item on people's wl, knowing it's a hard to find item because I was an idiot. I doubt I'll ever be able to release recolours either since the artist for the CI is no longer on site.

I don't think there's any real way to confirm what is a genuine mistake and what is just something being more popular, so I don't think there's any way to implement changes to the batch limit rule for this.

(I'll be making a revised version of the item eventually, so hopefully that will make up for my own stupidity a little)

Something I'd like to suggest. Now I'm not sure how easy this would be, coding wise, but I'd love if when submitting a recolour things like item type and layer could be auto filled to be the same as the original. I always find myself having to double check with recolours because some things are so similar (hat/head for example) and I like all recolours of my items to be with each other.

And that's it (I think) if I think of anything else I'll definitely be back! Most of these suggestions would be amazing to see though!

Oh my gods yes. I would love to be able to tick the "yes this is a recolor" box and choose the item and have my previous selections for layer and item type already filled in. That would be so nice. Seconding this suggestion too if it's a coding possibility.

Well said, buddy! Thanks for taking the time to write up your support/lack of support! I especially resonate with your paragraph about bonus weekend - all last year I started feeling pretty weird about the way the economy seemed to be centered on one profitable weekend a month....

YEAH like bonus weekend is fun, but at this point it feels like it has a stranglehold on the site economy.

Thanks for your feedback! I'm sorry you've encountered some bad apples, though. :/ A lot of cw shops have a note that you can ask for locked items (for instance - in my shop I say that locked items are either waiting for copies to be picked up, or a special CW juts for my public ping group members, which anyone can join). Does that help at all with your anxiety, or do you just avoid all locked items altogether?

Thank you so much for adding your feedback to the thread! I intended this suggestion thread to be mostly about what staff could do to help the CW system and attract more interest from users, but it's good to continue the discussion what releasers/sellers can do to help too - just harder since there are so many of us, and no way to really enforce any particular sort of action for all of us. But I realllyyyyyy want more buyer input, or even input from users that haven't engaged with CWs at all! I don't want this to be a conversation just for CW makers, because lol we've all had many similar discussions before....

I agree with you that 10 is, in general, too few copies. I've released a few things with just the minimum 10 over the years, and now that I understand CW shops more, I don't intend to do it again. It's just such a chicken and the egg kind of problem, for users like me that don't limit batches because of an item being "private" or special in some way, but because it feels like there's no interest in the item. I'm personally trying to understand that there are plenty of users like you who just don't have time or interest to be on the CW forums every day, responding to all the pings, and slotting right away. Understanding that has helped me go ahead and do at least 20 copies or more on almost everything in the last few months, so that extra copies that don't get claimed right away can go to my CW shop and hopefully get picked up later on if someone is interested. However, ideally I would LOVE to find ways to get more people looking at slotting threads and engaging with the community openly - it's kind of lonely just putting something in my CW shop and seeing a sale here and there with no engagement.

As for the rest, I really don't think there's any way subeta staff could police trade or reselling - it's up to users to decide what's best for them. I've had discussions in the past about how I feel like the trade only or high price reselling economy is damaging to the CW market, but ultimately it seems like that is just the "economic forces" at work - supply and demand, etc. I do think that if we were able to revive the CW market and create more "supply" (via lower submission prices, and so on), that "pretty things" would be less rare. But I'm rambling lol!

Yes, I think the force public copies suggestion would only create a rift between users like you who have created special items or want to create them, and the site. I think some users don't realize who private or items with few available copies can be personally important to the users who submit them.

As for the batch limited/re-release rules, I was just talking to earlier about something similar...it's happened to all of us. There's something that all of us regret making limited, for whatever reason. But I personally just take it as a learning experience for my future releases. Most people wouldn't abuse this ability, but apparently there are some that would, unfortunately. I wasn't around for the drama that initiated this rule, but apparently it wasn't a fun time.

Loooove your suggestion about an autofill feature for recolors, definitely adding that to the first post! It would work well with a previous suggestion to have information preserved from denied items, too.

The fact that as a newbie, like 2 months of being around cws and half a lifetime of being on subeta i can say that the random rules made by random people who have been around since the beginning of cw time is super off putting and it makes me want to not spend anymore money or support cws anymore. Before i collected cws i checked out the topics that were linked in the cw forums and i never remember reading "you may not buy for trade" "you may not sale for over slot" "you must sell this crap back to me because its mine and only i can sell my own crap for more" "you may trade , but only sometimes, not all the time" "privates are privates and they have to go back to the orignal owner" ... Like where are all these random community rules that a set of people uphold everyone else to, because honestly i refuse to follow your stupid random rules just because YOU dont like others having fun.

I wont get into my opinion of privates because honestly if i get a private and i probably wont know if it is or care , since i dont have time to care about anyones precious private item, i will keep it and no i wont return it. I paid fair and square money for it , if you allowed it out of your hands thats on you not me.

All these things make it super unfair to divulge into the cws .. because i came here to have a good time only to get ignored, see others get bullied, get the cold shoulder over me asking for items for slot and so on. i basically speak for others who feel this way and are afraid to speak up.

With that being said, i have experienced kindness from so many people. i am friends with everyone that allows me to be friends with.. and i refuse to be a groupie who only stays in a circle with the same toxic people.

If i somehow made you feel uneasy with these words & we are friends, feel free to hit me up to talk it out <3 k thats how i feel everything else is always gonna be the way it is, simply because i dont see any changes coming for the cw community. It will always be super expensive since it seems to always have been.

I do wish there was someone on staff paying attention to the CW community beyond just approving or denying new CWs, to help keep the info and official rules updated, and help guide new members and old in the community. I think part of what has hurt the CW community so much over the years is just all of us doing our own thing in different ways, so that newcomers don't know what is "right" or "wrong," because everyone approaches things differently.

Yes, some people do get upset if their special items or private CWs are traded away, auctioned off, sold at high prices, etc, but it's natural to feel protective of items that you bought and paid for, that you might have an emotional connection to (like if that CW is based on a family pet, or one of your original characters.) However, it doesn't give anyone the excuse to be rude about it, I'm sorry if you've encountered someone being rude to you about trading or reselling. However, sometimes these unofficial rules come about because resellers have intentionally bought items or hoarded them just to turn a profit, which feels disrespectful and can make a releaser feel less motivated to release new items just to be sold or traded away, instead of enjoyed/appreciated. So, don't forget that both sides of the story have thoughts and emotions regarding what's happening, and that doesn't necessarily make anyone toxic (until lines of respect/rudeness are crossed, of course).

However, ultimately, all CWs are property of Subeta, and not the releasers' property at all, despite how much money a releaser might have spent to commission a CW and submit it. Subeta has chosen to allow "private" items and unofficial rules by individual sellers, but subeta staff doesn't officially recognize any of that. Until Subeta decides to take a firm stance on exactly how CW releasers can sell their CWs, there will always be "unofficial" rules that so and so expects people to follow if thy want to buy from their thread, as a courtesy. But technically, once you buy a CW, you can use it however you want - keep it forever, give it away, sell it for slot price, or under slot price, or for 10x slot price - and you're not going to get in trouble for that with subeta itself. Whether you buy from a user shop, a CW shop, or from the pawn shop, etc - that CW is now yours to do with what you will. Yes, some people might look down on auctioning items or whatever, but that's the case with literally anything in life, and it doesn't mean the entire CW community is angry about it, or even cares. Personally, once my items are out of my hands, I know I have no control over them.

We've talked before and I hate that in such a short time, you've already had what seems to be a really negative experience with CWs! I feel a little flabbergasted because I wouldn't have expected that at all. If you ever need to talk about things or need help with something, please feel free to reach out. :)