'nother genderfluid person here! I use 'they' in English. It fluctuates between male, female, neutral, and something else entirely, and I think I get a reroll of those after a deep sleep phase. Ever since I got my binder (shoutout to my awesome aunt and uncle who procured one for me for christmas, NO shoutout to my egg donor who has been deliberately dragging her heels against the very notion for over 2 years because it's 'just a phase'. I'm 25, for [REDACTED]'s sake.), I kind of wear it every day (unless my brain pings 'very much female today' which does happen). Flat-chested me looks righter than boobs-me... And I'm happy whenever someone refers to me as male, or "...wait, what are you?". Confusion is good. Confusion means you're on the same page as me, because I sure don't know either, sometimes. Schrödingers gender? Schrödingers gender.

Other attempts at describing gender were:

• Non-newtonian genderfluid (still my fave)
• The juice allegory. Every gender is a juice, and today's current gender is an arbitrary mixture of these juices. And sometimes, some [REDACTED] puts in cider. Brr.

I've been struggling with a similar issue. I really want to be a boy but ... I don't mind being a girl. But then, it goes back to being a boy. I've just stopped caring, but I wish to get rid of my boobs a lot. I don't mind them but wearing a binder is very uncomfy because of my back issues :c I'm glad society is warming up but there are still people out there that cannot accept this. I wish government would accept the nonbinary gender option in various forms, paperwork and things that are tied to them.

Hi! I'm Sage! I'm also a nonbinary person (they/them pronouns)! I agree that the government should accept the nonbinary gender (and all the other genders out there) and that there should be an option for us enby folks on paperwork, IDs, etc.

I personally consider myself as not having a gender, and have done so for years now. I'd really like to connect and talk with anybody who can even tangentially relate. I frankly don't understand the concept of gender, and have a like irrational fear that if I ever do I'll def revert back to feeling like my assigned one. Which sucks. It doesn't help that everyone I've confided in so far have either not accepted me or understood.

I extremely hate it when people use the expression "she/he" or similar, and would say it took a year off my life everytime I saw it if that wouldn't already have killed me by now. So I'd rather say it adds a year to my life whenever I see "them" or another """unconventional""" pronoun used. I love it and want it normalized so bad. On a positive note some parties in my country (Norway) are considering adding a third pronoun to official records, as far as I understand. Personally I'm both too anxious and too not out yet.. I'm scared to go through any paperwork or whatever. I wish all paperwork, official documents or literally whatever garbage would stop asking for one of two genders. To me personally it's just not personal or meaningful, though I understand to others it is. But anyway I'm here and increasingly more open about it.

tl;dr: i'm NB, think the world is being an ass about it. I'm really interested in this thread and any others who might be nb. I want to hear from other nb people.

-fistbunp- Your feelings are valid, and if you're nonbinary then you're nonbinary, [REDACTED] what hypothetically maybe might be in the future.

Being confused and unsure is a reason to try things out, not a reason to stick to the classic path, and there's simply not enough time to deal with people who tote that about as a reason to stick to the classic path uu_uu"

This is exactly what I'm experiencing. When I first realized I'm bigender/genderflux (still not sure which one I am), I kept on panicking because I thought I had to be either male or female. But the more I explore, the more accepting I am of being nonbinary. I don't want to be tied down to only one option for gender.

I don't understand why society likes to have things in black or white. The majority of life lies in the gray area.

- I wish I could cause confusion with my gender. My breasts and hips are too big to hide. -_-

Because black&white is easy, duh.

My voice gives me away, but gc2b's binder does wonders on my rack (which is somewhere between C and D), but I don't know your build, so...

I get very weird faces whenever I go to walmart and I find myself wandering in the "male area". They have such pretty shirts, hoodies and some very casual and comfy piece of clothing q____q One man told me once that the female apparel area was the other way. I told him "what if I had a dick?" he excused himself and left rather quickly. I was legit offended. Let's not talk about the "you're shopping for your boyfriend?" moment. Always weird especially if I had my girlfriend at the time with me ...

So yeah. As time went on; I found myself refered as she, he, they and ended up being comfy with nonbin. I'm glad my boobs are somewhat small. @ Cherri

Wow rude D:: I'm sorry that happened to you! >>_<< Some people should learn minding their own business.

There should be like, a list of sassy responses. (Although I've found a lot is how you carry yourself. I was in drama club for 8 years, so it might not be as easy for you as it's for me, but don't act intimidated. Act as if that is exactly where you're supposed to be. Square shoulders, straight back, overall relaxed. Most assholes go after everything but slink off if they meet the slightest bit of resistance. And use your bitchiest, most disparaging, better-than-you voice while responding. You do not give a fuck about these people. If you honour them by looking at them, raise an eyebrow but keep your eyes a bit lidded. Sneer. Practice it in front of a mirror, and then IRL. And, speak from your chest. Less cracking, and steadier. Also helps a lot if you need to go loud.)

"They're out of fucks to give, though." "Do you need someone to hold your hand over there so you don't get intimidated by it? It's alright." "I'm not looking for your opinion, though."

I got most shit when it was in the middle of fucking summer and I had a 2mm buzzcut. I cussed out an old geezer on the bus who somehow thought that comparing me to some other lady was appropriate. I do not care about your opinion. "The 50ies called, they want their gender roles back."

I don't sneer and stuff like that. I have BPD and get worked up enough on my own ha ha. I have enough confidence to stand for myself, don't worry (ouo)b.

fair enough ::3 Take care of yourself ^^_^^

My own range of naturally displayed emotions is limited, so most of the stuff is deliberate and practiced. Makes sense that not everyone works that way "_"

I got told that I have a resting bitch face OR the face of someone you don't sit next to in the bus. But well, not everyone think so ha ha :P

I'm comfortable identifying as cis, but there was certainly a time when I was questioning my gender. I think my personal experience was more along the lines of just being tired of gender roles and stereotypes, but I guess that made me more sympathetic towards those who are nonbinary.

I think said it perfectly - about life laying in the grey area. That's just true for so many things.

During my last Equality & Diversity training at work, I was taught ne/nem and xe/xem as gender neutral pronouns. I can't say for the rest of the world, but those particular pronouns are apparently becoming more recognised around the UK now. That said, there's still a long way to go.

::O I've never heard of ne/nem pronouns before -makes note-

also mildly jealous, my native tongue doesn't lend itself well to new pronouns (and neither does the culture) uu_uu

nice ::3

edges into the room and waves Hi everyone, I'm Armor (or Lex, or Ziv, whichever)! I'm nonbinary (maverique to be specific), it's nice to see there are so many other nb people here! I take they/them pronouns.

I identify as agender/genderless but definitely lean more towards male on the spectrum and can usually pass pretty well...except for my voice. I hate being referred to in overly-feminine terms like "miss", "ma'am" or "lady". Feels like a stab in the gut to me. But "sir" is always a huge confidence boost. He/him feels a lot better than she/her if I'm stuck between the two "standard" pronouns but neither of them feels 100% "me" either. I prefer they/them pronouns and wish more people would use them. Most never even consider them or think it's "too weird". Physically I've been miserable since puberty and hope to one day get top surgery. In the meantime my binder has been one of my best friends.

Recently I went through some soul searching on whether or not I should change my name. I personally feel my birth name is gender neutral but society, for the most part, sees it as "female". I find that silly because it's the name of a season (autumn) and seasons don't have genders. I finally decided to leave it alone (for now) because I actually like my name and don't want what other people may think to be the reason I change it. It made me question why we even have "girl names" and "boy names". I personally think people should be able to have whatever name they feel most comfortable with regardless of what gender society "says" that name "belongs" to.

Let me end my ramble with a positive true story. I was shopping at Hot Topic once when an employee came up to me and said "Can I help you find anything, sir?" When I turned around and answered she started to "correct" herself. I stopped her and told her she had it right the first time, that I prefer "sir" and went on to explain agender and nonbinary to her. I was feeling brave, hahaha. She was very accepting and even told me she would start trying to use gender neutral terms more often. Seriously made my whole day.

- I'm also a C, so I'm curious about the ones you mentioned. But, I don't know if I can handle them very well... I'm scared of them being too tight. I was thinking of getting good sports bras when I have the money.

- Male clothing is so much more comfortable than female clothing overall. I do like the occasional dress, but I haven't worn one in months. And I don't know why employees assume you're in the wrong section or shopping for your "boyfriend". I've had that happen too.

I've had similar issues when getting a haircut. I had to cut my hair very short due to a medical condition (serotonin syndrome) in which I would overheat easily and start to lose conscious. But, I ended up liking short hair since I live in the hot pits of Florida. The last few times I went, I had rude stylists. I had someone question my choice of haircut and then indirectly be rude to lesbians. Another stylist laughed at the idea of my hair being spiky even though that's what I wanted. I gave up going and now have my fiance's sister do my hair.

- I've started to cringe at being called "miss" and "ma'am". But, I look past it since it's usually employees trying to be nice. And, I don't know how to explain the concept of they/them. After all, I'm completely new to gender neutral pronouns.

I've changed my name because my birth name is extremely feminine (by society's standards) and I hate it. It's now Skylar and it fits me so much better. One day, I'm making it my legal name. I also wish I could have the option to be neither male or female...

It's awesome to see someone like the Hot Topic employee taking time to listen and opening her mind about the nonbinary concept. ^^

If you're interested in binding but worried about sizing, gc2b has an excellent returns policy, and shapeshifters does custom sizing (and in all sorts of neat patterns, too)!

gc2b is by trans* for trans*, and they're super comfy! They're stretchy around the back so they're easy to breathe in, and they do exchanges if it turns out the one you ordered doesn't fit right. (EDIT: sorry for the other tag i mistyped ;;_;; its almost 3 am uu_uu)

For some ungodsly reason, for the past few years, all bras, and I mean all, unless I go to the super-froufrou-expensive store, are pushup/padded. -rage noises- I wore sports bra + ace bandage some days, with the help of about two dozen safety pins because my boobs are escape artists, but those make breathing difficult, and is a hassle to put on and take off. The gc2b has a greater effect and is much quicker to put on and take off, and it's easier to breathe.

(and anyone else reading this) please please don't bind with ace bandages! D: It's really easy to injure yourself, in ways that may end up being life-threatening. If you own a binder wear that instead, if not there are a couple ways to make a homemade one out of a camisole (here's one) or a pair of tights/pantyhose. Please take care of yourself and don't use ace bandages to bind!