eee thank you! :'D (and hi, I've been admiring your CW work from afar ;w; )

Thank you for pointing that out! That will be an easy fix. :3 I definitely wasn't as focused on the CI haha. If the overlay is okay I guess the next challenge is finding people that are interested.

Oh, I have a question I forgot to ask. Say that the dress gets accepted. If I change the dress colors and swap out the swirls for a different pattern with no changes to the actual lineart, would it be counted as a recolor or a new item?

aww thank youu ;;;

The same light source could be slightly applied to the overlay too (just adding a tiny bit of shadows on our right and a smidge of highlights on our left) n_n

As for your question - this would count as the same item! As long as the lineart is the same, it's a recolor (though it doesn't change anything to the release/pricing whether it is a new item or a recolor!)

Don't forget though that even if the overlay is the same, you could still draw a completely different CI for it. Most people dont do it simply because it is more time-consuming, but here's an example!

Got it, I'll work on that too! ^_^ I really appreciate the help.

Ohhh okay, I had no idea about the CI but that's good to know!

Username --- Link to the overlay(s) --- click click Link to the CI --- click click

What do you need help with --- Fixing the overlay to make it look not as horrid (hopefully within the boundaries of a foundation-type makeup item) ;_;

Was there a denial --- Yes: Your custom clothing Suddenly Cakey Foundation N02 was denied for the following reason(s): • OVERLAY: Does not work on both light and dark avatar skintones • NOTE: This is extremely awkward looking, especially on darker bases...kind of like a failed attempt at vitiligo. This really just doesn't work in this form!

Optional I'm also kind of at a loss for the overlay rejection because I thought we were able to submit different wears for different skintones as well (some sweaters have arms with different colors)--I'm guessing this would push it into the "base edits" category instead of makeup as well. Rolls over ;_; But from the note given, it feels like it'd be accepted if the overlay was presented better.

EDIT: Ahh I forgot to add, I meant to make this mainly to hide the eyebrows and lighten up the lips. This is for Base 2. So a before and after would look like:

Can we take a look at the PSD files --- Yes - it's a mess and probably much easier to edit the overlay image directly though! Or even recreate your own for that matter. Can we redline --- Yes.

to the best of my knowledge, the reason why it was denied is that it is makeup/foundation, not an actual skintone modified item ;c

For example, a sweater with a different colored hand, or an ear with a specific skintone would work since it is an actual mod - in your case it is cosmetic and it should be transparent enough to go on all bases, same as makeup!

I'm honestly not too sure if this is an item that could be accepted as-is or not. I was actually quite interested in seeing if they'd accept it, but it looks like they haven't, sadly. The only bypass I can imagine for it would be an actual face mask where the edges would be covered by most hair.

I wonder if you could submit this as a body mod instead of makeup - maybe the higher price would mollify staff. Maybe open a ticket and discuss what you're trying to accomplish with Jessi, with your example images?

that's a good point! i was able to submit an item that looked rather awkward on darker bases (the ) but i had a feeling this was too far out of an idea, though the overlay was crude to begin with. i contemplated face masks too, except there'd have to be a cutout for the eye area and would ruin the ability to layer it/would make it hard. ahh u_u

gosh i'd really like to! i actually included the example images and a detailed explanation in the additional info box but i'll see if an item like this would be accepted as a body mod instead. i still think the overlay would need some polishing, but i'll be happy if the idea gets green-lighted because i don't know when some kind of brow-hiding lip-lightening item would be released officially hahah ;_;;

thank you so much for such a quick response and for your help!

edit: i submitted the ticket and received a response--

it's an interesting denial, not one that I'd thought about. As-is im pretty sure this will indeed not get accepted ;c

However it does seem to point out that she understands what the purpose was. I'm going to take a wild guess here (because mine is as good as any in terms of what would or wouldnt be accepted sorry!) that you could try making a more solid-looking block that only covers the eyebrows (no mouth or nose at all).

If the CI reflects a sort of... compact foundation which could reinforce the idea that you're concealing the eyebrows with foundation it miiiiight be worth a shot? If that's not accepted then I'm not certain this type of item will ever be, sadly.

Same, it didn't dawn on me how big of an issue it was until after the denial. I originally started out with just two blocks covering the eyebrows, and didn't think it'd be accepted. And along the way I kind of wanted to make sure eyebrows at almost every height was covered, but that led to overthinking it hahah ;v;

The ticket hasn't been closed yet, so I'm not sure whether this is completely shut down or not, but I'm assuming "not accepted in its current form" to mean other ways could possibly work. I'd more than like to give the block/compact foundation idea a shot even if it means discarding the mouth/nose part.

tickets are always very vague - whether you ask or not, the real test is whenever you actually submit the item since Jessi never gives any definitive answer!

I'd say it is worth a shot at blocking the eyebrows only and possibly make it sound like it is a blocking foundation, if it isnt too time consuming n_n

Also Jessi said that the mouth/nose was irrelevant, especially because those base features can be hid anyway. It doesnt seem necessary to have them at all!

Oh yes, absolutely!!

As for the lips, I actually didn't intend for it to hide the base features but to soften them up kinda. I habitually stack 'em on top of each other (which is fun to do esp. with the recent Delish ones), but they also darken the lips that way, so I just used the base skintone to just soften them up/make them fade a bit like this. In the end it's just a subtle change, though and there's probably hardly enough interest or justification to get something like that on the site, and I'd much rather drop it for the sake of the brow thing instead.

Username --- Link to the overlay(s) --- click click

What do you need help with --- I feel like something is off with the shading or inner detail ?? I can't seem to pinpoint what it is but I'd love some general help with it T^T

Was there a denial --- Nope, still a WIP

It's quite nice! I'd say there might be a lack of light source, and some of the inner lines are perhaps a tad too thick!

im about to go to bed so pardon the really really quick edit ;;

You've already gotten a bit of help, but I'm adding a little bit more! Hope you don't mind. C: LINK First off, you've got a LOT of color bleeding going on. I don't know if this is on accident or not though, but I just thought I'd show you in case you were unaware n_n The side on the left is the unedited. The right side, the top most one is to show you more shading that I've thrown in as well as some more inner lineart, because right now all the lines are just around the edge. Consider the entire shape that you're shading, rather than individual sections! Below that is what it looks like with the opacity lowered C:

I have a tutorial that briefly touches in on my method of shading near the bottom; LINK

Thank you!! :) Yes it looks much better with your suggestions, I'll have to go fix it up :)

LOL woops ~ That's embarrassing. Thank you for pointing it out - forgot to clip one of the layers to my fill layer XD And thank you for the help!!

At least you didn't submit it that way! That's all that really matters n_n

Username --- posting on behalf of :P Link to the overlay(s) --- female + male Link to the CI --- click click

What do you need help with --- I want to avoid having to redraw this completely so I thought getting some outside opinions on how to fix would help!

Was there a denial --- DENIAL 1 Your custom clothing Pristine Cherry Blossom Card Capturing Frock was denied for the following reason(s): • OVERLAY: Artwork does not match Subeta style, quality, or level of detail in general • OVERLAY: Pillow shading • OVERLAY: Not enough layers of shading (Subeta artwork should have 3-5 layers of shading) • OVERLAY: Dodge/burn look or too much contrast in shading • OVERLAY: Overlay perspective conflicts with the 3/4 angle of the avatar base • NOTE: This looks really unfinished -- overall it is just lacking refinement! Unfortunately there's not really a better way to word it other than saying it looks like an old wearable, from when Subeta was a newer site, and really needs some tightening up.

DENIAL 2 Your custom clothing Pristine Cherry Blossom Card Capturing Frock was denied for the following reason(s): • ITEM and OVERLAY: Issues from previous denial were not sufficiently addressed • NOTE: Unfortunately this is suffering from most of the same issues that were mentioned in the previous denial. It is just very stiff looking, not at all like current Subeta wearables.

Optional Can we take a look at the PSD files --- i don't have them Can we redline --- yes!!

I'm working on help now, but before I post anything I would just like to confirm that you have permission from to post their work here for them yeah?

yep, i asked her a couple days ago and she gave me permission to post ty for double-checking tho!

n_n okay, I just want to start off by saying I woke up very recently and so if something doesn't make sense, please simply ask and hopefully I can explain what kind of madness went on in my sleepy head haha

LINK Number one: The lime green line is the important part of this! When building a skirt like this, it helps to start with a central line / curve that you're going to build that skirt off of. If you look at how skirts are actually sewn and made of this particular type, this will probably make a little more sense. LINK Number two: The skirt I have here isn't exactly the same as yours obviously, but the reason I did this is to help give you a better idea / larger detailed example of what kind of shading detail I personally would do for something like this! This basically includes a lot more folds in the fabric, as well as a little more line detail. Of course, this may not suit 's style, so they'll need to adjust to what works for their personal style n_n Number three: Just a small adjustment to the contrast of the colors. Right now they're very close in color, and when resized is makes the shading look very soft and not cell shaded! Adding just a small amount extra of contrast really can help this! (these are the colors I've used on number two!)

Additional Notes: Regarding the denial, what I am personally seeing in regards to 'pillow shading' is something I get caught up in too, which is shading each little piece individually, rather than the entire object as a whole. I often suggest for this type of thing to 'sketch' in the shading to get an idea of where the darker sections will be, before shading. I don't have a clothing tutorial on this yet, but I do have a hair one that kind of points out what I mean on the shading sketch part; LINK Hopefully that helps!

Again, feel free (either of you) to ping me if I didn't make sense or you have more questions, or if you have questions after an edit / etc C: GL! This item is super cute. n_n